Who's lying? Moore vs. Hoff, Day 2
The second day of the Jerry Moore vs. John Hoff trial in Minneapolis brought some news for bloggers, some randomness and some very divergent testimonies over who is lying. Hoff and Moore have two very different stories, and each brought in witnesses to support their version of history.
The day started off with Judge Denise Reilly's ruling that Hoff could not be held liable for anonymous comments on his blog, unless they were proven to have been written by him. In this civil lawsuit, Jerry Moore charges that Hoff libeled him by making false statements in a blog post and by allowing an anonymous comment to that post.
Moore's attorney, Jill Clark, called Don Allen as a witness. Allen was once a defendant in the case, along with Hoff, but has since been dropped from the suit and is now a witness for Moore. (Read Allen's original comment on Hoff's blog post here.)
Under Clark's questioning, Allen stated that he was sure Hoff had written the comment at issue. The anonymous comment on John Hoff's June 21, 2009 blog post encouraged people to contact the University to get Jerry Moore fired. Allen made his claim based on his alleged familiarity with Hoff's "style of writing."
Allen also said it was common for bloggers to write anonymous comments. "All bloggers do that to start a conversation," he said. (Read Dave Brauer's post for more on this claim about blogging practice.)
Much of the discrepancy between the two stories involves the property on 1564 Hillside Ave. N., which was part of a scam that got Larry Maxwell in jail for fraud.
Minneapolis City Council Member Don Samuels was also called as a witness. Samuels testified that when he became aware of the complaint against Maxwell that named Jerry Moore as receiving $5,000 in the closing for the 1564 Hillside Ave, he asked Moore about it at a Jordan Area Community Council board meeting. Samuels said that, at that time, Moore said, "it was not a big deal" that he had done some work for Keith Reitman, the owner of the property. Samuels characterized Reitman as a "slumlord."
Jerry Moore also testified at today's trial. Moore said he had no relationship with Reitman other than JACC business. When Hoff's lawyer, Paul Godfread, asked him if he talked to Reitman frequently, Moore said "not really."
Two documents related to Moore are part of the controversy. One is a photocopy of a check made out to Moore, and the other is an invoice with his business name at the top, charging for consulting services to the amount of $5,000 in connection to the Hillside house. Both documents were presented at a previous trial, when Moore sued the JACC board after he was fired. Moore denied ever seeing the documents prior to the previous trial.
In the cross-examination of Moore by Hoff's lawyer, it was revealed that the address on the top of the invoice was the address of a property that was formerly owned by Moore, which no longer exists.
Witnesses from both sides painted very different pictures of Hoff and Moore. While Don Samuels characterized Moore as "a suave, calm guy has an uncanny capacity for deception." Michael Kestner, who formerly served on the Northside Marketing Task Force with Moore, described a positive impression of Moore, as someone who was articulate and who could "pull people together," and called the accusations against Moore "a witch hunt."
The defense didn't quite finish their cross-examination of Moore, which will be completed tomorrow morning. Other witnesses may include Megan Goodmundson, Michael K. Browne, and the victims in the Maxwell case, John Foster and Melony Micheals.
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I take it this was in Minneapolis
Who, what, when, where, why, how... It sounds like all these folks are Minneapolis people. Did this to-and-fro occur in Hennepin County District Court, perhaps? Is "the University" the University of Minnesota?
I've never heard of this case before. I wish the writer would write a bit more like she's writing for a first-time audience, because I ain't in Minneapolis at the moment, and this is all new news to me...
You're right
There are references to Minneapolis lower in the article, and in the link in the first paragraph, but it should have been explicitly stated—and now it is.
Larry Maxwell Criminal Complaint...
Anybody who wants to see the Larry Maxwell criminal complaint in PDF form, you can get to it via this blog post.
http://adventuresofjohnnynorthside.blogspot.com/2009/01/case-against-lar...
The real story here is what happened to the victims of that mortgage fraud, and how they have been suing in civil court and unable to get justice in what should be, after all, a rather simple matter of damages in a case that put a man in prison for 16 and 1/2 years.
Posting Anonymously on Your Own Blog
I doubt I'll make it to the witness stand, and this likely won't be entered into any kind of record for the court. But it deserves to be said here:
John was the one who got me started on blogging. I remember specifically how when I first started writing, he REPEATEDLY said he would never comment anonymously on his own blog. Obviously, I have no way of verifying if such a claim is true. However, what's more likely? That a good friend has lied to me over the course of several years? Or that Don Allen, who has knowingly spread lies about at least two north Minneapolis bloggers (Eric Johnson and myself), took the stand and said something untrue? At best Mr. Allen let his own bias cloud his judgment.
Based on what I have observed, I believe I can state with confidence that John Hoff does not comment anonymously on his own blog.
Oh Shelia
Garbage....
Hypocrite much?
The MinnPost article also quotes Don Allen as saying "All bloggers [post anonymously on their own blogs] to start a conversation."
I find that comment highly ironic, since after Don Allen was exposed by "Poopgate" on The Deets, he disabled the comment function on his own blog. Why? My guess is that he did so in order to stifle conversation.
A similar tactic was used roughly a year ago when Terry Yzaguirre at the Mpls Mirror began to make personal attacks on Connie Nompelis and the community in NoMi rose to her defense. Comments were completely disabled on the MIrror for several months as well.
web logs
I do not understand why it is so hard to determine who make the post. I do not blog, but I do run web servers for a living. Can't you just check the IP address of the submission? Or is this information not provided to the blogger? If it is not provided via the web interface, can it not be subpoenaed?
True, the IP address would not be conclusive (i.e. proxies, DHCP...) but it sure would be a strong clue as to who posted what, when.
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