Sunday, Nov 8, 2009
workaround

User login

S M T W T F S
1
 
2
 
3
 
4
 
5
 
6
 
7
 
8
 
9
 
10
 
11
 
12
 
13
 
14
 
15
 
16
 
17
 
18
 
19
 
20
 
21
 
22
 
23
 
24
 
25
 
26
 
27
 
28
 
29
 
30
 
 
 
 
 
 

workaround
view counter
view counter
view counter

Sicko: Commenting on commentaries

July 07, 2007
The reviews of Michael Moore's “Sicko” have been fascinating, the editorial and op-ed commentaries on the film even more so. Apparently there is a rule in corporate journalism that every mention of Moore and his films, or Moore without his films, must contain at least two snide observations about his biases, his ever so naughty attacks on rich and powerful but somehow –- in the eyes of the corporate journalists -- defenseless people such as the chairman of General Motors, and, if you can slide it in, Moore's physical appearance. Four snide comments, two or three misrepresentations and an outright lie or two about Moore or the films is better, I gather. (A quick digression: No, I don't know Moore, have never met him or corresponded with him.) The “Sicko” reviews and commentary are running pretty much true to form, but, interestingly enough, after all the snideness is done, every writer I've come across has had to admit that it is a good film, and that, sonofagun, the United States health care “system” truly is a bloody awful mess, pretty much as Moore says. Of course, I haven't read the comments in the insurance and pharmaceutical industries publications, though if I run across one I might. The level of unintentional humor should be high. Speaking of humor: “Sicko” is full of laughs. They're mostly the kind that burst from you when confronted by a lie so outrageous and obvious that the absurdity is overwhelming, but they're real laughs. They get little or no mention in most of the reviews and op-ed pieces I've seen. Moore knew we'd laugh at the obvious self-serving absurdities of the super rich guys, and I guess that's one of the ways his biases show in the eyes of the corporate press commentators. Perhaps they think he should have paraphrased their idiocies to make them look less foolish, rather than letting them speak for themselves. A July 5 op-ed piece in the New York Times by Philip M. Boffey is quite representative of the 10 or 12 I've read, I think. He calls the new film “unashamedly one-sided, superficial, overstated and occasionally suspect in its details,” before admitting, in the same sentence, that on the “big picture” of the failure of our health care system “Mr. Moore is right.” Boffey, who writes editorials on health care for the Times, does not elucidate on his claims that the case Moore builds against our health care “providers” is overstated or “suspect in its details.” I'll give him this, however. “Sicko” is one sided. Moore doesn't spend any time defending our broken down health care system, which leaves 45 million Americans without health insurance, which is ranked is ranked 37th among nations in quality of care and which overcharges us – often to the point of bankruptcy – and makes deliberate decisions to deny health care to individuals and, as Moore clearly demonstrates, allows people to die needlessly for the sake of protecting overblown profits. Oops. Was that one-sided, too? As someone who spent about 45 years in newsrooms, I very strongly suspect Boffey is somebody who is too close to some of his sources. But again I digress. He says it is “hard to know how true” are the stories Moore puts on film -– stories such as that of a young woman who was retroactively denied health care insurance because of a minor yeast infection that was cured years before she applied for and got the insurance that was taken away when she needed it. Well, I'll tell him. There is not the slightest reason to doubt any of the individual stories Moore has used in the film. First, the director is too smart to use a phony story, and risk getting caught, when there are, as he says, countless such stories. When he put out a request on his Web site for personal stories of being screwed by health insurers, Moore was inundated. Within days, he had more than 20,000 such stories. Second, I can recount four or five such tales from the years I was the primary caregiver for my aged mother, and another dozen from among my acquaintances. This moment, I am deeply concerned about a friend who is in despair because of the years-long battle he has had to wage with his health insurer in order to get care he must have to live, and the debt that has piled up as a result. Anyone who hasn't experienced such a situation, or doesn't at least know someone who has had to fight for his or her life in such a way, must live in another country. My favorite criticism of Moore, however, is one employed by at least half the commentaries I've read: That the director didn't give the insurance and pharmaceutical industries time in his film to tell their side of the story. That, folks, is grandly absurd. Moore is laying out facts. The industries that profit so hugely from our illnesses spend hundreds of millions of dollars on advertising, public relations and lobbying to “tell their side of the story.” One month's expenditure by the insurance industry for those activities substantially exceeds the cost of making “Sicko.” And Moore doesn't own a single member of Congress; they've bought dozens. (The insurance industry's almost $400,000 in contributions to Hillary Clinton's campaign purse alone would have covered a substantial portion of the cost of making the film.) Let them tell their lies on their own dime. Boffey, like almost all of the others whose “Sicko” commentaries I've read, also complains that Moore is to unfailingly kind to the health care systems of other countries. (The film has episodes shot in England, Canada, France, Italy and Cuba.) What makes Boffey and one or two of the others most annoyed is that Moore doesn't mention “the months-long waits to see specialists in Canada and Britain...” Well, actually, it does come up in the Canadian interviews, and the Canadians snort in disbelief when the claim is made, though they admit that there sometimes is a wait of a few weeks to see a specialist for an elective or entirely non-threatening treatment or condition. And the critics fail to note that under our system of money-vacuuming HMOs and profit-building insurance companies, the waits to see specialists in this country often are every bit as long, and longer, than those the defenders of our system claim are the rule in other countries. The very large network of clinics through which I get my health care and which has close ties to the HMO that provides my health coverage, has made a deliberate decision to limit the number of specialists of several types in its network in order to maximize its nonprofits. (Some specialties, such as cardiology are big revenue producers and so not tightly limited.) When I've complained about long waits to see a specialist, several people within the organization, including four doctors, have confirmed my suspicion on that issue. Because of a couple of chronic conditions -– not life threatening, at least for now, though they have that potential –- I must occasionally see specialists in three different areas of medicine. The last two times I had such a need, it took three to four months from the time I placed the first call seeking an appointment until I actually got into the doc's offices. In another case, it was almost five months. I am not alone in that, despite all the phony denials the HMOs and clinics might produce. Give me 24 hours and I assure you I can provide the names of at least 20 others who have had the same experience. (And it could be 100 others or more if I put the word out on the Net.) All of the pieces I've read about “Sicko,” have what I find to be a glaring omission. Not one mentions the comments by Tony Benn, a former member of Britain's Parliament. Yet Benn's statements probably are the most profound element of the film. He notes, as other good people often do, that “if we have the money to kill (in war), we've got the money to help people.” But, more importantly, Benn tells Moore, that all of Europe and many other places have good health care systems while the United States lacks such a basic service because in Europe and elsewhere, “the politicians are afraid of the people” when the people get angry and demand some action. In the United States, he observes, “the people are afraid of those in power” because they fear losing their jobs, fear being cut off from health care or other services if they speak up and make demands. “How do you control people?” Benn asks, and he answers: “Through fear and debt.” His point is that in the United States we have a great overabundance of both. Having ignored Benn's succinct analysis, some of the writers, and especially Boffey, state as fact that Americans would reject out of hand any attempt to create a government-run universal health care system. They produce no facts to support the claim, so apparently they just “know” it. If someone conducted a poll today, asking a section of Americans if they want “socialized medicine,” the results might seem to support the claim of Boffey and others. But if the gutless Democrats went out and explained, clearly and often, how a government run single payer system actually works, and what it really costs, and what the people of Canada, France, Britain, Germany and other countries really think of their health care systems, the ignorance-rooted suspicion could be reversed in a matter of months. And I believe that is true even assuming the inevitable all-out ad and PR campaign by the insurance and pharmaceutical industries to protect their enormous profits. (Does it occur to anyone that the profits they suck from our system, while we struggle for and often are refused decent health care, are truly enormous if the industries are willing and able to spend hundreds of millions of dollars a year to protect those profits?) Every American I know is fed up with our present health care mess, and more and more are deeply angry. Go see “Sicko.” It's a marvelous film, it's full of laughs and, yes, it will give an edge to your anger. Then do something useful with that anger. Members of Congress and state legislatures are just a phone call, a letter or an email away. And don't be conned by the less-than-half measures proposed by the present gaggle of corporation-serving presidential candidates.

Comments

I like your response to the

I like your response to the critisism that the pharmacy companies didn't get to have enough input. I agree that they are totally corrupt.

I really need to see Sicko.

I really need to see Sicko. I've seen a couple of his others and they were great. I'm glad to hear this one is awesome too.

Seeing More Moore

Mr. Moore has many opinions and I have yet to actually view this film documentary; despite having the desire to do so. Healthcare is something vital to many in our Nation, but I myself am rather unversed in the intricacies of this subject. Fortunately for me, I have yet to hear of any "horror stories" from my family or acquaintances. Interesting article; definitely a subject I will need to investigate more. Hopefully I'll find time to watch Moore's film.

Universal Health Care

It's clear that those who oppose universal health care are simply not going to be swayed by facts. We see it all through this thread. Facts are presented in favor of universal health care and rebutted by--opinions. To them, it's wrong. And that's enough. Heaven help us.

My children have asthma, a

My children have asthma, a pre existing condition. When they are young adults they will be uninsurable unless their employer allows a free enrollment period. We have been constantly covered by insurance,even when unemployed. We dared not let the insurance coverage drop. Why? We went a year without perscription drug coverage. A drug that costs us 35 dollars co-pay and the company 65 dollars total costs us 125 dollars without perscription coverage. We got by because a family member happened to be be able to get free samples of the needed drug for nine months of that year. Otherwise 600 dollars of our take home pay would have gone to medications necessary for breathing. BREATHING! Never mind that preventing asthma attacks is cheaper for any company in the long run than treating an emergency hospitalization. And before you ask, no the low income programs did NOT cover us. No, medicare did NOT cover us. NO, there were no 'free drugs' from compassionate drug companies. And we're not the only people in this situation. Ask anyone with a 'chronic' disease. At anytime, your employer may decide to drop your coverage because it's costing too much of the bottom line. Which is what we are currently facing. An employee had a cancer problem so now the company is changing the benefits program for all employees. Each employee will now pay 400 dollar more a MONTH for 'coverage'. Canada looks really good to us. Wonder if we look good to them?

Commenting On Commentaries

Dear Editor: Bravo to James Clay Fuller for his insightful article concerning commentaries the media have made about Michael Moore's most recent documentary, "Sicko". It would appear that much of the mass American media is unable to handle the truth. Rather than attempt to respond to Mr. Moore's documentary with facts of their own, they have chosen to shoot the messenger. How cowardly can you get? As a Canadian citizen who is covered by a universal health care system, I will willingly admit that our system is not without its flaws. Nonetheless, I am not aware of any Canadian who has been denied health care services or has gone bankrupt as a result of receiving required treatment. There is no question that The United States is the most powerful country on the face of the Earth. The media is very quick to drive this point home. However, the strength of a country is not determined by its leadership alone, but by the people its leadership was elected to represent. It therefore stands to reason that a government has an obligation to protect its citizenry from threats, including illness, regardless of their financial status. George W. Bush, his cronies, along with previous administrations, have failed to understand the error of their ways. Thank God for people who like Michael Moore who is willing to stand up and in a factual and entertaining way, and bring this injustice to the world's attention. Kindest regards, Donald R. Halbert Box 1560 Lac du Bonnet, Manitoba CANADA R0E 1A0 (204) 345-2882 halbert@mts.net

Re: The Unisured 20% Being Young People

Ben, I am a 37 year-old single mother of two young boys. I don't have insurance. It's not because I don't know how to prioritize either, BEN! I can't afford it. Just for me (not my kids) the monthly premium would be over $400.00, Ben. I pay $1365 per month for my rent here in San Diego, Ben. (Rent is over-inflated too, I digress). And then there's my over inflated gasoline bill so I can get to my underpaid job... Yes, Ben, I'm sure that with a net monthly income (because I pay taxes) of $2200 per month I suppose I could squeeze out $400 extra per month to pay for healthcare, but I seriously doubt that there would be anything the doctors "could" or "would" be able to do to bring my starved children back to life. I can prioritize, Ben. I make make sheltering, feeding, and clothing my children my priority. Ben, your ignorance is insulting to the rest of us. We seem to have an under-education issue in this country as well. Your skull must be 3 inches thick all the way around. Unless your head is the size of a basketball, that doesn't leave much room for a very viable brain.

Sicko

Thank you for meticulously taking the time to note the bias with which the media reports and comments on Michael Moore----even when they agree with him!!! Please forward this to your boss, publisher, hierarchy. This nation needs more straight up commentary like yours. Susan Nathan

Powerful Piece

James Clay Fuller's piece on "SiCKO" is a powerful, composed reflection of the opinions of the not-so-silent-any-more majority...which is anyone who is not wealthy, with or without insurance. He did an excellent job of equalizing the common man and woman against the heavy-duty PR and campaign contributions of the pharmaceutical and insurance companies. I went through two decades of pain and 14 physicians before I was accurately diagnosed by a not uncommon illness. Too bad their aren't more journalists like Fuller cheering for David (Michael Moore) against the Goliath companies.

Thanks for being a breath of fresh air!!

What a great read! Finally someone who saw what I saw when I watched SiCKO, the entire section with Tony Benn was profound and moving. If we have the money to kill people...well the Iraq war costs $12 bn per month according to news sources yesterday. How far would $12 bn go towards helping our senior citizens, and uninsured? Yeah...a long ways.

A Dual Perspective

I moved to the USA 7 years ago, from Nova Scotia. My son was 8 months old. I was starting a new job and the health care took 3 months to kick in. In the interim, I needed to put my son in childcare so that I could work. My son's vaccinations were up to date in Canada, but the USA has a different vaccination schedule. My son receives one needle for three vaccines, the USA gives three needles for three vaccines. I needed him to have the vaccine so I could work, and couldn't get the health care coverage until I had been here three months. We asked about obtaining the vaccine, but the cost was INCREDIBLE. It was cheaper to fly my son home, get the vaccine, and fly back to NY. INSANE. After working here for 7 years now, I have adapted to American Culture. It astounds me that the priorities are on a war that is not ours, instead of focussing on the ills within this country's borders. A president that doesn't bat an eye at billions on war, but turns a blind eye to the many people suffering without healthcare. My son needed an annual physical for summer camp. I called to make an appointment, and the next available date was 4 months away!??!?! I am sorry, but the points in Sicko were valid, and during my 7 years here, I have heard many horror stories. The point that resounded most with me was the little girl who needed a cochlear implant. I had surgery for a cochlear implant here in the States, and asked for a bi-lateral implant. I was rejected by the health care provider because it was 'experimental." How can one be non-experimental and two be experimental???? Oh, I know, because it is SO BLOODY EXPENSIVE!!!! Not my problem. I pay my premiums for a service: access to health care. I feel like I am paying membership fees to an elite club that has the right to jack up prices as they see fit: no rationale other than profit. And BTW, a Republican friend of mine scoots across the border to buy up those cheap Canadian drugs. I guess they aren't too satisfied with the medical and drug show in the USA, either. When I hear jokes about Canada, I simply smile...not at the joke, but at the idiot that is making it. Take, for example, Gene Simmons...complaining that he doesn't like to sit next to Canadians in a theatre because as soon as a Canadian star is on the screen, the Canadians in the audience talk to each other saying 'Guess what!! He's CANADIAN!!" Gene tells us that Canadians lack self-esteem. Figures that people see the negative instead of the positive, and act on their inferences instead of facts. Sorry, Gene, but Canadians have national pride. We point out that a star is Canadian because we are proud that one of our own has made it big. People can poke fun at our health care system, but they are not knowledgeable. I, with my Canadian health care, will be sitting on my porch in my rocker for a LOT longer than many Americans, with or without their health care system. Why? Our system is preventative. The American system is reactionary. So if Americans want to joke about it, call it socialist, expensive or inefficient, I will simply smile. I have pride in Canada.

Sicko

James Clay Fuller is quite right about Canadians being mostly satisfied with their health care system but they're also quite ill-informed about how precarious it is. With a very neo-con federal government in place and a complacent citizenry unfamiliar with NAFTA laws, one slip and the introduction of a "for profit" clinic opens the door to American-style HMOs. That's a door that can't be closed again under free trade agreements. Canadians don't know a thing about this side and so far provincial governments have shut down all attempts to open these kinds of clinics. It's a constant "brush fire" situation and the more provincial conservative governments that come in, the less likely these fires will be put out.

"Sicko" Review

While I applaud James Clay Fuller's piece on the film, there is one correction I would like to offer. He talks in the end of the piece about the "gutless" field of Democratic presidential candidates not offering a suggestion for a single-payer, government-run system. I would beg to differ on one count. That would be Congressman Dennis Kucinich, from my state of Ohio. Congressman Kucinich, who has again put his hat in the ring for the Democratic nomination, has been touting such a system since the 2004 election, and is doing so for the 2008 election. He is one of the few candidates who seem to fully have the interest of the American people at heart. Do I believe the Congressman can be elected? Unfortunately, no. He doesn't have the rock-star image of a Hillary or a Barak, or the clean-cut, boy-next-door image of a John Edwards. But he has consistently shown his support for the best interest of the people of this country throughout the last campaign and his service as a Congressman. He is one of the few who actually voted AGAINST the Iraq war resolution. He has proposed a presidential cabinet post for a Department of the Peace. He was right about Iraq. And he's right about universal health care. Please let the people know. They need to know there really IS a candidate within the two-party system that is on their side. Thank you. Kym Hackenberger

Oh dear Ben....

>>>Government healthcare does NOT work well in Canada, Britain NOR Cuba, contrary what Michael Moore wants you to believe. Sure, its free. But wait two years to get a simple consultation, and see how "free" it really is, with skyhigh taxes.<<< I am a UK citizen live and I in the UK. As has been said, the NHS is not perfect, but nobody waits 2 years. I can see a doctor the same day as long as I am not fussy about what time, if I want an appointment at a specific time I might wait a week. Over the last few years I have seen an ENT specialist and an Orthapedic consultant. All was arranged within 3 weeks, and follow ups took 2 weeks. The NHS is not perfect, but its pretty damn good. Tax is not sky high, roughly, in total, we pay 23% of gross pay in income tax and national insurance (it does depend on income - low income earners pay less). Check you facts.

another angle

Excellent article... Another component of our failing health care systems is the role of lawyers. PHARMA, HMO's, attorneys, bought-out government legislators (large majority) are all in cahoots to cash in. The HMO's create elaborate road blocks to deny care to maximize their profits. They know that the vast majority of Americans will not pursue legal action (its hard when your in pain or dying). HMO's know that a small percent will try legal action. Its built into their revenue equations I'm certain (and still highly profitable despite). OK, so someone gets screwed and gets a lawyer and wins a case. Guess who's getting the big share of that return. Not the patient. Another scenario. You go see an ER doc for mild headache. The vast majority of time its nothing tylenol/excedrin can't handle. The doctor knows its likely nothing. 99% of the time your not walking out of the ER without a CT scan of your brain, because even if all their medical training and experience tells them that you likely have nothing serious, the ER doc is not willing to bet his license. If they missed a very rare tumor or something- a lawyer could spin it the right way and take it to court. Even if you were given standard of care treatment (where the ER doc would not be found liable for any damages) they will still get the CT scan simply to avoid ever going to waste their time in court. Preferable that you (or your insurance) get a fat ER visit bill that will break the bank than have some lawyer potentially interfere with time and practice of the ER doctor. In the industry we call this practice "save your (MD) ass medical care." The end result- millions and billions spent needlessly and we all pay by higher insurance premiums and wasted Medicare/Medicaid funds. These are the exorbitant taxes that we are already paying. A practicing doctor.

I for one have never had a

I for one have never had a problem with our health care system. I have a daughter born in a hospital, delivered by caring Doctors, I have had several surguries all of which went well. I visit the Doctor when needed and always get great care. But then I have also worked all my life and paid for insurance. Now if we get this wonderful government run health care, my daughter, if sick will have to wait while some free loader on welfare of whom my taxes are paying for his/her health care, gets taken care of. Oh great system, this is not speculation, I have a friend in Canada who nearly died before getting a simple tonsilectomy!! Want a piss poor health care system? just take the element of competition out of it and thats what we will get. All you Michael Moore worshipers just for one second imagine a health care system that is like our imigration system,.....yea thats what you knuckle heads are screaming for. Do we need reform? yes, but not this guys kind of reform.

I don't want my medical

I don't want my medical insurance tied to my employment anymore. Period. It would be so much more freeing and I'd have better career choices if I didn't have to work "for the insurance" (which is what I have to do). I have the "misfortune" of having a sick baby diagnosed with a rare lung disease at 10 months - our first and only child. The health insurance company put her health at risk when they decided to put her account on review as a "pre-existing" condition and stopped paying her doctors without even notifying us. We only found this out once her doctors started refusing to see us due to non-payment. This is a child, a BABY for christ's sake! So even with this "great" insurance, and the way they treat us, we should be so thankful I suppose... We're going massively into debt trying to keep our heads above water with the medical bills, living on one income (mommy's - who already probably gets paid less than her male counterparts just for being female - according to the studies). At least she had the "privilege" of taking 3 months off (unpaid - which started us into debt) to be with the baby after giving birth right? It's already extremely difficult to try to live on one income and have a parent stay at home to actually raise their own children. Family-friendly country my ass. I'd love to know how many of these people defending this system have actually seen the movie (willing to bet most of them haven't). I found it difficult not to cry and it made me disgusted with the realization that more and more in this country we are all simply becoming corporate-owned pawns, pieces of property "owned" by the mega-corps. This review of the movie is right-on and well written, thanks for writing it.

I would just like to respond

I would just like to respond to someone above stating: "The 20% percent you refer to are young people who don't think they need health insurance or in temporary situations. They are still not denied health care." When was the last time you tried getting decent INDIVIDUAL health coverage if you can't get it through your employer (or are unemployed)? I am a 25-year-old female with the only pre-existing condition being acid reflux. Was previously insured with Kaiser through my parents because I was a student, but then I turned 25, lost that coverage, and then lost my job. COBRA was too expensive, so I let it lapse, couple of months later applied for an individual policy with Kaiser. And they DENIED my application. So tell me - if I break a leg tomorrow or come down with pheumonia, how's my "temporary situation" going to save me the thousands and thousands of dollars I'll have to spend on treatment? Isn't it ironic - you become unemployed, so finances are very tight, and then you are slapped with a double-whammy - if you are lucky enough to get private insurance, it's expensive as hell, and if you can't, you'll wind up bankrupt if, heavens forbid, you get sick. As far as I am concerned, Michael Moore is a hero and a genius. I have watched every single one of his films and will continue to do so for as long as he makes more of them.

All my adult life I have

All my adult life I have taken care of myself. Eat good food and lay off the greasy crud. Take a walk at night. I go to free screenings for bloodwork and blood pressure sponsored by hosptitals. I have a high-deductible, low-cost hospitalization plan I can easily afford, and to date I have never cost my insurance company a cent. If I'm ailing I see the doctor and pay for an office visit. I am 61. I figure that a country filled with folks like me would not have as many health care problems as we seem to have. Last week I dropped by a Walmart in my town. I marveled at all the obese people who were in the store. They seemed like the majority. I saw aisle after aisle of soda, munchies, dip, cold cuts, cakes and snacks. Hardly any decent food in the grocery section. I'm sorry it has come to the cigarette and trans-fat police in the US, but our a whole lot of our health care problems wouldn't exist if Americans just took better care of themselves. The slobs, dopers, gang bangers, smokers, the sedentary, boozers, and nutritionally ignorant are among the groups of people who put pressure on health care costs but ruining their own health. If we were a healthier nation, our health care costs would plummet, because we wouldn't be putting out for care we don't need, and hospitals wouldn't have to charge paying customers for people who show up to the emergency room who can't pay. Sorry if I sound smug. I don't mean to. We're attacking this health care problems from the wrong direction. Is it too much to ask people to take care of their own bodies? They'll give 80 years of good service if you give them a chance.

The Entire System Is A Scam Find The Real Truth

http://thetruth07.110mb.com Live Videos: About The Money System, Bush Administration, Diebolt and More Get Educated America And Stand Up And Take The Power Back From Our Own Domestic Terrorists! Vote For::: Ron Paul!!! http://thetruth07.110mb.com

Nice review of the reviews.

The film will do well despite the grudging nature of the reviews and perhaps even because a reader can tell that the compliments in many of those reviews had to be pried out of the reviewers and thus don't reflect and antecedent respect for Mr.Moore. But the review here itself tells us something about the press and the way it works, and the way that those in the press tend to identify more with the powerful and rich than with the rest of us who have every reason to complain and say what we think of those who screw the least powerful without offering them still further opportunity to tell the side of the story we mostly hear anyway. You do a great service with this review. Thanks!

errr...no

Fools, socialized medicine is not a bad idea. The system does work and the right-wing cavemen who prattle on about rugged individualism would probably feel differently if they had a ruptured appendix and not enough cattle rustled to pay for the emergency bill. i'm covered though my place of work and can aford private insurance if i'd like, but having lived in EU and Canada on assingment, i found their systems to be very efficient, mybe not as "good" as the elite super-high cost private providers in the USA but very adequate

Best Commentary To Date On "Sicko"

JCF -- Thanks for your penetrating honesty with the media sophists owned by the superrich. The big, sharp-toothed mouthparts of this country's corruption and political insanity, mostly unseen by the servile and politically withdrawn, are swinging around to bite it on the ass. I'm a 60-something peacetime veteran (served between Korea and Vietnam). VA Medical is my primary provider. I can't afford any other medical insurance or coverage, although I do have Medicare Parts A & B. I'm an insulin-dependent diabetic with heart problems, chronic renal failure, and chronic but sporatic runaway triglycerides (documented at over 2200 in October 1979, and documented at over 1700 several times since). The triglyceride problem induces chronic atherosclerosis, although a 25-treatment series of EDTA chelation therapy did give me about a year's break from many problems of the sludged-up vascular system. Against this semi-serious set of circumstances, the VA refuses to diagnose the source of, or to treat the disease once the source is identified, of my sleep apnea. My peacetime service puts me in too low a "tier" to receive such expensive treatment. Life-threatening condition, that sleep apnea -- discovered by the chelationist D.O. in his pre-chelation testing. Keeps me in a steady state of fatigue and causes all sorts of unnecessary interactions between my other med conditions. But hey, the quicker my syndome kills me, the less the VA will have to spend on me -- and the sooner they won't have to listen to my constant whining..

HSA/MSA high deductible plans

Professor - I'm glad you've found affordable coverage for your company. I've had a different experience: My husband and I are self-employed and buy our insurance through Assurant. Our family plan (there are four of us) has a $5100 deductible and our quarterly premiums just jumped 23% to $3100. My husband has two preexisting conditions and one body part that have lifetime exclusions. (Prior to applying for insurance, my husband saw a doctor for some mild pain in his right knee. He walked out of the appointment with a brochure called, "Living with Patella Pain." Assurant now will never cover his right knee for anything.) Paying $12,000 in premiums on top of a $5100 deductible is not a sustainable option for us. However, we are stuck. We are fairly healthy people, but due to claims we've made over the past three years (my son has asthma, my husband has had 2 arthroscopic surgeries stemming from old sports injuries - not on his right knee, thankfully), our family would have a hard time getting a new policy without a myriad of preexisting condition exclusions and premium rate adjustments (read: increases) due to our medical history. There is a laundry list of other issues I see with the HSA-high deductible plans (has anyone ever tried to gather cost estimates for an arthroscopic surgery?), but in a nutshell, this plan that is supposed to help Americans afford insurance doesn't work. The premiums aren't even tax deductible for individuals and in Wisconsin, where we live, the HSA contributions aren't tax deductible either. We're not sure what our next step will be but at this point, I really don't see a way out within the current framework of the US health care system. Something must change and I commend Michael Moore for challenging all Americans to call for that change. I personally think universal health care is the way to go, but if anyone has other ideas, then by all means, share them.

Government Run Healthcare

To quote a previous poster: "... considering how well our government runs things now, just how do you think they are going to do so much better with healthcare?" I agree. You can't expect a system controlled by politicians and lobbyists to run a healthcare system any better than they "run" anything else. I personally know people who work in the government run healthcare system and people who rely on this same system for their healthcare... maybe you all should research how well the politicians "run" the Veteran's Administration Medical Centers all around the US before you jump onto the band wagon about having a government-controlled healthcare system. Just ask any veteran how well it works for them. Ever heard the phrase: "good enough for government work" ? You can forget the cure for Cancer, or cures for anything else for that matter... without the capitalist system we have, there won't be as much money as there is now for research. Have you ever paid attention to how much research is done in the US as compared to other countries that have a government-run healthcare system? The capitalist system is no where near perfect, but as long as there is a buck to be made, some company or millionaire will fund research for a cure or vaccine. If there is no money to be made in selling cures or vaccines, why would the companies or millionaires bother to invest? Besides that, haven't any of you people read: George Orwell's "1984", or Ray Bradbury's "Fahrenheit 451"? Oh, my bad... those of you who want government-run healthcare probably think the things in those books can't happen in the good ol' USA... yeah, right. You're the same people who want the goverment to control what our children learn and how we live our lives. I doubt these are the ideals that Thomas Jefferson or Ben Franklin had in mind when founding this country. Talk about Big Brother ... just what I don't need... more government controlling my life! Next thing you know, we'll be expected to wear computer chips for identification, give up our right to bear arms, and take happy pills.

I live in a country that has

I live in a country that has "socialized" health care (Japan) and the system is not without flaws. Don't simply assume that this is the only way to fix healthcare. That being said, basic care here is so much easier to obtain regardless of if you even speak Japanese. My wife and I had our first child in the states while we were unable to obtain insurance due to a technicality and it was a nightmare. From the billing to the way doctor's offices treated you for not being able to obtain insurance was obscene. I do believe that there is a better way but I guess I would be weary of trusting the same people we don't already trust to help us to fix it. You can call your representatives all you want or mail them or e-mail them. They aren't the ones reading or listening anyways. That is the only thing that is clear.

Yo! DUDE! Youre complaining

Yo! DUDE! Youre complaining about nothing. Moore has gotten such a pass from the media for years that they are only pointing out the obvious: the movie is BIASED and Moore intentionally leaves out anything that shows his opinions arent based on fact. Moore deals fast and loose with these facts, adjusting time lines, asking rhetorical questions and not giving people the opportunity to response, etc. Deal with it: YOU, sir, have issues with people pointing out the truth about someone you apparently admire. BTW: In Roger and Me, Moore DID get an interview with Roger and left it on the cutting room floor.

Canadian Healthcare works

It does. I use it all the time. So does my wife, our families, everyone we know... I've never known anyone to complain about the healthcare, in terms of waiting times, specialists, or anything. We actually are older, and see a lot of specialists. We see the problems with our healthcare on the TV news, and I am sure those are real problems. I just don't know anybody who has ever complained about them to me directly.

"Poor" old Michael Moore

Michael Moore is a self-proclaimed champion of the "working man" as he snuffs out the super-rich and their evil ways. Moore, a person who fools the public into thinking he's one of the blue-collar working stiffs by his homeless apparel, is super-rich. He's the very person that he hates. No single person has EVER made more money off of the tragedies of 9/11 than Michael Moore, and he continues to make more money off of 9/11 with "Sicko". He's found his gold mine in 9/11. However, since he dresses like a bum hates Republicans, etc., he's just a poor old slob like the rest of us. Moore is a super-talented movie producer who manipulates the facts in order to get his point across as the "truth". He's funny and his movies are interesting, but damn, don't slam Haliburton when you make as much money as they do...all by yourself. Also, Michael, buy some new clothes, or at least wash the ones you wear ever so often.

And Sicko has critics from the left

Fair enough, but Sicko has had some intelligent criticism from the left, e.g., David Walsh's "Michael Moore’s Sicko: very limited conceptions, very limited results" at http://www.wsws.org/articles/2007/jul2007/sick-j07.shtml

Sicko

"Commenting on Commentaries" is a wonderful piece, and says things that need to be said. The degree to which the press comment sticks it to Moore, while only mentioning the truth of the picture painted in passing, is fascinating. "Sicko" is a great documentary. Yes, it is trying to make a point. Yes it is made with passion. No, it doesn't give the people who dishonestly make outrageous profits from the sick and dying equal time. And yes, he has oversimplified the situation in overseas countries to make his point more clearly. But none of this invalidates the basic point he is revealing - that the US health system is scandalously poor for the most wealthy country in the world, and that much of the reason for this is corporate dishonesty and government sloth. I have personal experience of the US, English and Australian health systems. The Australian system is the best of the three. It is a mixture of private and government insurers. There is an effective safety net - everyone can get quality care. Many people don't insure privately. For patients without private insurance there are often substantial waits for elective surgery (and this can include things that don't feel elective to the patient, like hip transplants), but anything crucial is done almost immediately. The private health insurance industry is regulated much more than in the US, and has to justify rises in its charges. It is competetive and efficient, profitable but not outrageously so. There are tax incentives for people to insure privately. They keep pushing for the system to move to something closer to the US system. They would, wouldn't they! The English system is not quite so good - the waits are longer, the quality of service slightly more variable, but still very good. Everyone can get treatment, no matter how wealthy they are, or aren't. Like the Australian system, in total it costs the nation far less than the US system on a per head basis. The US system sucks. If you're wealthy, you can get great treatment - if you're not ... Watch "Sicko"- when you're talking about the US system, "Sicko" tells it like it is!

Doctors, Hospitals, Drug Cos. and Insurance Companies = $$$$$

I don't agree with everything that Moore says in his film. Bragging on the medical system in Cuba is like saying grasshoppers need to move to the desert. Nevertheless, the USA is the ONLY nation among the western developed countries that does not have a national health plan that covers its people. Think about it! Ask yourself why??? Could it be because the medical lobbies give millions upon millions of dollars each year to the politicians in Washington and to those in our State legislatures? My son got sick a year or so ago and it was on a Sunday and I had to take him to the doctor's office. Do you know that the bill for a simple doctor's visit and blood tests exceeded $500.00? All of this to tell me that he had a virus that would run its course in 24 hours or so. As a middle class American with insurance and a deductible of $500.00 guess who had to eat the largest portion of this debt???? When will all of this change? I know countless old people that spend every last dime they have for their medicine and on doctors. This is insane. We NEED a change and if this film in any way helps in this regard, I say AMEN.

Let's talk about the 45 million

It bothers me that people throw around this 45 million uninsured number without understanding how it is formulated. Of the 45 million uninsured, 18 million are illegal or legal immigrants (NCHC.org) and 3.5 million are homeless. Though they are "uninsured", they use the ER system in this country as well as other social programs to get medical attention. Also included in this number are anyone who is without health insurance for a single day in a 1 year span. This includes almost anyone who changes jobs, which is approximately 50 million Americans (US Dept. of Labor). According to the NCHC, 93% of people who lose or change jobs cannot afford COBRA. That means that 43 million are here in this number. As you can see, the numbers don't add up. Even if we remove the homeless, 51 million of the 45 million (I know) should not be counted because they are not citizens or are uninsured for a brief time. We should be talking about fixing the high prices of health coverage, but we all should know what the real numbers are and how they are figured. From what I see, the numbers are being inflated to scare people so that when the Government raises taxes, no one will complain. NCHC - http://www.nchc.org/facts/coverage.shtml US Dept. of Labor - http://www.dol.gov

Used to believe that US Health Care was good...

I also used to believe that socialized medacine had long waits, etc... Boy was I wrong. I've never even seen Sicko and I can tell you right now that I have a few cronic health problems I was dealing with in the US at great expense and long waits, even with good corporate health insurence. I had to fight, argue, and jump through a million hoops just to get basic help on a few well proven issues with my personal health. Recently I moved to the UK on a work visa. HOLY COW WHAT A DIFFERENCE! I don't have to argue, don't have to fight, don't have to wait, don't get crazy billing mishaps I have argue about with people on the phone that don't give a crap about me, don't suddenly get denied service for certain operations/visits, don't have schedule visits with specialist three months in advance... AND I honestly, and I mean HONESTLY, beleive I'm getting better care. It's not like a little factory here, the people actually care about my health. I'll have to see the movie but seriously, anyone who dogs socialized medacine, at least in the UK, is completely full of crap. It is VASTLY superior to the US health care system, even with the best insurence money can buy. And that's the weirdest thing, fast food workers here get better treatment than executives over there. NO JOKE.

one big problem

I would be a supporter of universal healthcare, but issue of how our health care resources would be exploited by illegal immigrants makes me nervous. Take a trip to any ER facility here in Phoenix and you will see an ocean of mexican and central american illegals, and many of them are using the ER as their obstetrics and gyno facility, free of charge. When you consider that the 'average' hispanic immigrant has 3-4 children each (almost twice the fertility rate of most americans), the taxpayer bill adds up fast. How would a universal healthcare system provide for people who pay almost nothing into the system, yet place huge demands upon it?? I don't think they problem invalidates the universal healtcare approach, but it makes it more difficult.

Sicko comments

Brilliant job, Mr. Fuller. Thanks for such an intelligent and well-thought out piece. A friend of our family is an orthopaedic surgeon. He described to us a procedure that he routinely does. There are two options, one is quite expensive, the other much less expensive, but just as effective, and less invasive. He tells us 99% of the time he opts for the more expensive procedure. His rationale, "It's a business decision". That kind of thinking seems to be pervasive in the medical profession.

The 'talkback' ABC News couldn't hack.. (yes, it's germain)

..and then pulled down! The page says three comments, but there's only one up now... (Oops! Did I offend their advertisers? What a bunch of insurance ad revenue wh*res - I'm in the Nielsen teevee ratings and I'm now glad I don't watch their programming. The corporate media does blow chunks..) The original story is in regards to the rise in malpractice insurance in New York state - it was mentioned by a poster in a previous message here.. http://abcnews.go.com/Health/comments?type=story&id=3344926 And here is the post I put up that was removed.. Why does no one want to connect the dots on the problems with healthcare in this country being tied to the insurance industry? Here's the study in the New England Journal of Medicine, published last year that speaks to the qualitative levels of care in America http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/full/354/11/1147 What no one wants to wear, is that the 54.9% quality rating is the inevitable end result of the insurance industry putting its fingers into healthcare at EVERY level. From the limitations of coverage in a patient's policy, to the liability 'protocols' that hospitals obey, to the malpractice guidelines that often times leave doctors with only pre-approved courses of treatment to proscribe. It all adds up.. or *down* as the case may be. It's time for doctors who truly are disgusted by this fiasco to start to hold insurers accountable. For decades the insurance industry has been de-facto practicing medicine. The nearly natural-even odds of getting appropriate care are testimony to the truth of a system of protocols and assessments that places a profit margin ahead of the needs of the patient. The system is in a free-fall and until the doctors who are offended by the blatant class-war start to push back and place the needs of the ill and infirm ahead of their insurers - they'd be better human beings if they'd just quit practicing. I'll not approach a doctor ever again regarding matters of my health. it's too important to me to trust them with. I foolishly did in 2003 and paid for it with a nightmare that lasted 22 months afterwards. Never again. The doctor I dealt with blithely followed a malpractice mandated care protocol. This insurance dominated system *needs* to be completely and totally destroyed. Yes, there will be pain and illness, yes, it will be scary, yes a lot of people will die, but they're doing that already and losing their homes and savings in the process. The immorality and evil, needs to stop. Deb. So now you know why I will not ever buy insurance. If I DO get deathly ill, I'll fly to Thailand and get the care I need. Screw the AMA and its Big Pharma and HMO sugar-daddies. Boycott health insurance.

response

Why should someone have to use specifics to support a case. I get annoyed by Michael Moore, because he is out to push his own agenda. I'm sure most of the information in "Sicko" is true, but from what I just see personally he forgets about the Grandma(my grandma) that receives her medication for next to nothing, which is close to 50 dollars a month through the medicare prescription drug plan. Before she would have to pay close to 500 dollars a month. And he doesnt mention the father(my father), that became ill and had a hospital bill that was over 29000 dollars and all he owed was 600. Granted that is all through government programs available, but my point is help is out there if people look. Also, all or most of the democratic party presidential candidates are pushing socialized medical care. Isnt it ironic that Michael Moore comes out with a movie a year before an election regarding this very issue. Dont get me wrong he has a right to make whatever film he chooses to make, but I dont understand what the push is for socialistic health insurance. If you notice we have the public school system which is mostly failing. Why is that? Several reasons are: there isnt much competition or a reason to be responsible, the system is overcrowded, and funds are short. People need to wise up and really think, instead of believing what is in the movies and news. Pharm. companies also need to do make improvements by becoming more responsible and attempting to keep costs down. How that is achieved by new laws restricting campaign contributions, etc to keep from being influenced. In order for that take place congress and policticians have to let go of there greed. Lastly just because some system has problems as a whole doesn't mean one needs to replace it with something else. For example, since Africa has a huge aids problem it doesnt mean that we need to kill out that race and wipe it all out.No we treat the people with aids through medicine and education. Another example would be if you didnt like your house, you wouldnt tear the whole house down and rebuild it. No, if possible you will renovate a little bit at a time until it looks decent again. Things do need to be improved, but moving into a socialistic direction might eventually come back to bite us.

Sicko

No I haven’t seen Sicko. I can't even say I have experienced the horror stories that many have had seeking treatment either in the ER or with a physician. I am a single person working for a university that offers health insurance on 70/30 split of the premiums (depending on your gross pay). For BC/BS that works out to about $150.00 a month for me. I do not have a PPC and on the rare occasions that I need to see a doctor which is usually for a referral I go to the employee health clinic which only charges $5.00. I went this year for a "suspicious lesion" or mole that seemed to have gotten larger. This resulted in referral to a Dermatologist of my choosing; who I promptly call and was told I could be seen in three weeks. When I see the doctor we chat about golf for 15 minutes while he performs the procedure to excise the lesion. He then has the med tech put a band aid on it who then hands me a xerox copy of post treatment and shows me to the receptionist who requests $35 payment for the visit and tells me I should be hearing from them in two weeks with the results of the biopsy. It’s actually a little longer. In the mean time I hear from BC/BS on what they are allowing and my applied deductable. When the dust settles I receive a final bill from the dermatologist for another $110.00 Total cost to me for having a mole checked? $150.00 Is this reasonable? I don't know. I am already paying $1800.00 a year for health Insurance. Unfortunately health insurance is something we all need because without it (and if you can get it) if there came a time when you really did need it - i.e. life threatening illness you would be wiped financially paying for it on your own. And thanks to the change in the bankruptcy laws under the Bush administration you would be afforded very little protection there. So do I think that the pharmaceutical companies and the HMOs have been feeding on the population like Morlocks upon the Eloi in the name of corporate profit? I would have to say yes. Certainly it is not a system where the people do benefit to any great extent and one that ought to be regulated by the government and not left to free market forces.

I used to be a fan of

I used to be a fan of Michael Moore's, but haven't been for a few years. I still like "Bowling for Columbine" nonetheless. I've read and enjoyed very much at the time, 2 of Moore's books. Not specifically regarding "Sicko," (as I haven't seen it yet), Moore is a propagandist. He does only show one side to a story, carefully praising his predetermined view and editing out pieces of information that don't agree with his predetermined propaganda. We can go through his other movies easily to show how this has been done. Plus, to be honest, I have a very difficult time trusting someone that proudly boasts that they are a socialist. I also have a tough time taking any socialist seriously who does not understand that socialism uses coercion and force. Mr. Moore does not understand that with a socialist healthcare system, a person receiving this "free" (money must come out of thin air) healthcare is in essence demanding that the federal government deprive one citizen of their earnings and property with threats of force and violence for not complying with such depriving, in order to give those earnings and property to another person. Anyhow, many of the problems in healthcare getting so expensive are a result of government intervention in the first place.

on balance

As a doctor practicing on the "front lines" of medical care (in the Emergency room of an urban hospital here in Oakland, CA ) I wanted to post a few comments. Regarding the film, I read so many negative reviews about the film that I largely lost interest in even seeing it. Yesterday evening I went out with a group of fellow doctors to socialize and see the film together. I'm glad I saw the film. It achieved its aim - to provoke thought and justified outrage at the current state of affairs of our medical system. Intelligent national debate is needed (on several issues besides just health care). Intelligent debate about anything cannot happen with an populace with its brains addled by television advertising and relentless propaganda for the status quo [don't touch our multi-billion dollar profits]. Keep your DVD player for great movies if you want entertainment, but get rid of cable/television. It is keeping too many of us as ignorant sheeple that others have mentioned. Also, people need to refrain from anecdotal stories like "my auntie in wherever waited 6 months for an x-ray or MRI" so blah-blah is a horrible system." My hospital has about 30% of uninsured patients- largely dirt poor, African Americans. Despite the fact that I work the Sutter Health System (not a county hospital) if someone is sick enough to need an MRI/CT scan/x-rays etcetera, I will admit that patient to the hospital and I will get them that study within a few days. That they may get a large bill is another issue, but they will get it. If someone is told to wait 3-6 months for a special study, its more than likely not an urgent/life threatening issue (and many times not even needed since the treatment will be the same). Let the debate continue, its good for us all.

Thinking outside the box

To think that we have to maintain the health system in America as it is now shows a decided lack of ingenuity, creativity, and industriousness. Having worked in a local government office, I know the burdens of bureaucracy. I also know that much is accomplished at a local level by 'public servants' that do not get wealthy by any means. Here's one little idea: why not pay health insurance premiums to healthcare facilities directly causing them to compete to provide better services? Engage the federal or local government soley for the purpose of catastrophic coverage. Just one little idea. But, if we are not to even consider new ideas, we are spiraling downward, and our sickest can affect all of society.

Funny Health Insurance Stories (sorta)

I am a very, very healthy person who moved to Florida with a 100% UCR BC/BS COBRA policy. I suffered a bit of food poisoning that had long enough effects to concern me, so I went to a doctor here. After a sigmoidoscopy that found nothing relevant, they recommended a colonoscopy--but warned me that my Pennsylvania policy would probably not pay for the procedure. So, I went back to Philadelphia and had the procedure done by one of the best gastroenterologists in the city (I had done medical and pharmaceutical marketing and knew the best). Reassuringly, there was nothing wrong--whatever had been the problem a couple weeks before had healed, and I was fine. Further reassuring was discovering I had no diverticuli, and no polyps. Add to that was a family history of healthy colons with no problems. Imagine my surprise when transferring my Philly health insurance to Florida--that they DENIED me coverage because I had had a colonoscopy, but had NO DIAGNOSIS of a problem. The GI was pretty POd and wrote a letter purporting that I, of all potential insurees, was a good bet considering the above. So, with persuasion, they agreed to take my money (insure me) but NOT cover my intestines for two years until I could prove that I hadn't had another episode for two years. What a conundrum! What would I prove that I didn't have? Another episode of health? And, if they meant prove that I had no intestinal problems for two years, just how would I prove that? Get another colonoscopy? And when that showed I was healthy, what cycle would THAT create? Would I descend into a spiral of Blue Cross Hell into eternity? Since then, I've often wondered if people are denied coverage because their mammograms showed no diagnosis, or if a blood test showed healthy triglycerides, or . . . well, you catch my drift!

government health care for all means NO health care for all

My family uses the medical system extensively because my two sons have a very rare metabolic condition . They have never been denied the extensive hospitalizations, medical supplies, equipment and care that they have needed here in the USA. They are covered with a combination of Blue Cross and Medicaid. I have met families in Europe and Canada who have children with this disease. A German family has been told that their child should simply be allowed to die because she needs such extensive care and has had too many hospitalizations for pneumonia. The German doctors have also denied prescribing any pain medications for this girl, even though this syndrome is very painful and the girl constantly cries and stiffens in pain. The doctors said that "retarded persons do not feel pain, so she needs nothing." The family in Canada had to wait 18 months to get surgery on their daughter's painful dislocated hips. When my older son's hips dislocated, we had surgery within weeks. My sons are tube fed, and we get 30 feeding bags per month per child. We use a new feeding bag every day because it cannot be cleaned and will grow bacteria quickly. The Canadian family is allowed 4 feeding bags per month, and the child has had food poisoning. The Canadian mother hurt her shoulder lifting her daughter 4 years ago and is still on the waiting list for surgery to get it fixed. None of the families in Europe have a g-tube to tube-feed their child, because they only give g-tubes to comatose persons there. These parents work 12 hours per day trying to feed their child with eyedroppers, syringes, or spoons, and most of the children that I saw were severely underweight. I do not want universal government-run health care for myself or my family. I have seen the lack of care and rationing in Canada and Europe. Universal health care for all really means no health care for all.

in America we have the best

in America we have the best medical technology and science compare with the rest of the world.Also the most expensive science and up to date, but the health system it is the worse in the world the way it is run and served. If we stop swing the doctors and hospitals we might get better services.

Not a Right

Folks, it's this simple -- health care is not a right. No more than getting a car is a right. Yes, health insurance and the medical system in the US is a mess. But I lived in the UK for a number of years and it ain't that good. Want to make health care in the US better, consider these options: - limit the liability doctors face so they don't feel pressured to order every test in the book for a headache. (Oh, it may be brain cancer!) - raise insurance for all you fat asses, smokers, drug users, and heavy drinkers. hey, poor health follows unhealthy living. - put a deductable in place for every person on medicaid or medicare. - stop providing free medical care to people in this country illegally. no, i'm not saying deny care but go after these folks to repay for the expenses they are costing us. - put standardized insurance options in place that anyone can obtain. for example, a $500 deductable catastrophic insurance policy. no one can be denied and insurers can choose whether to participate or not. Face it, the free market can work but only if we let it. The real answer isn't more gov't. By the way, Castro himself imported a Spanish doctor this year when he got sick. Guess the folks that know best don't trust their own system.

Get a job

According to a recent Kaiser Foundation study, the average worker paid $2,084 for family coverage this year; for single coverage, the average payment was $454. Who can't afford $2,000 per year to keep their family healthy? If it's a problem, then get a higher paying job. Or don't have seven children if you're a factory worker making $30k/yr. People with decent jobs don't have problems with health insurance. Ever. Poor people are worthless.

Ask the poor propagandized highly taxed Euros and Canadians

(I apologize if this is a double post. Not used to no-mouse typing.) Americans who support our current health-care non-system always talk about high taxes and huge bureaucracy in countries that actually cover everybody. Having lived and had babies in France and Germany, as well as the United States, I can say that the amount of bureaucracy related to health care is infinitely worse in the U.S.. The paperwork, the proof of health insurance, the pre-approval, the "pre-existing conditions" nonsense, the HMO choice of doctors.... well, none of it is a problem in those countries. And you stay in the hospital as long as the doctor, not your insurance company, says. People who are against what they call "gubmint" seem to be very pro the U.S. army. When citizens want something well done, it is well done. In France government service is honored while in the U.S. the past thirty years have seen it degraded and dishonored. It's no wonder we have third-world schools in our cities and citizens who don't know where Iraq is but think we should invade it. The bottom line is that people in countries with universal coverage (all the other civilized ones) think we Americans are barbaric and primitive in our approach. A French doctor asked me once, "Don't Americans care about their fellow citizens?" Not the most conservative anti-tax anti-government speaker in those countries thinks that they should move to our system. Incidentally the reason I feel so strongly about this issue is that long ago I worked for an insurance company and spent my days filing claims that were systematically denied, delayed or deliberately snarled. Why should health care be related to your employer when Americans change jobs constantly? Why should health care be related to your state when Americans move more than almost any other people in the world? Why should health care be advertised on billboards in every big city (think how much money they are making to spend it that way)? It's time for a change.

sicko

As a Canadian who has not seen the film I can only comment on the comments. I have never had to wait for any procedure at a doctor and can choose doctors like I would interveiw someone for a job. as far as the myth of high taxes in Canada we do not live so bad. I work a low paying retail job, I own my own house, two cars, and have cash left over for fun with little debt. Thankfully I don't waste all my income on health insurance. We have it quite good up here and our biggest worry is the health care industry trying to "Americanize" our health care. Most canadians see what is happening to the south and want nothing of it.

bias

the bias here is incredible... canadians die waiting for surgery.. Waiting 2 years for a hip replacement is not at all uncommon. The wait for cataract surgery is months, in the US it's weeks. I guess going blind is not emergent. I saw a patient last week who told me she didnt' take her blood pressure meds because they cost too much. Yes, but they are much less expensive than her 1 1/2 pack of cigarette habit is costing her. The solution to health care is to deregulate it, not let the beaurocrats in Washington run it. I really don't want a health care system with the compassion of the IRS, the quality of the US education system and the speed of the postal service. Health care is and always will be expensive. The Canadians, French and English control cost by allocating resources. A man with prostrate cancer is 3 times more likely to die in England than in the US, and does almost as poorly in France, and Canada. Breast cancer cure rates are lower in in all those countries. Funny Moore doesn't mention this. US physicians do a booming business taking care of Canadians who simply cannot wait any longer, something else Moore ignores.

Post new comment

The content of this field is kept private and will not be shown publicly.
  • Web page addresses and e-mail addresses turn into links automatically.
  • Allowed HTML tags: <a> <em> <strong> <cite> <code> <ul> <ol> <li> <dl> <dt> <dd> <p> <br> <img> <span> <div>
  • Lines and paragraphs break automatically.

More information about formatting options

workaround

Recent Blog Posts in James Clay Fuller

view counter

Related content