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REPORTER'S NOTEBOOK | Should Minneapolis ban 18+ club nights?

July 20, 2009
Updated July 26 Rumors have been circulating that Minneapolis is considering restrictions on 18+ nights at music venues and clubs that serve alcohol. Debate on the issue (below) sets "negative behavior of intoxicated youth" against having "something other than drinking that the young people can do to have fun, such as listening to music or dancing." Reader suggestions include cordoned-off areas for non-drinkers and teen night clubs. What do you think?

The Story: According to the “Save Minneapolis Nightlife Entertainment” Facebook page, "The city of Minneapolis is exploring options/language for a bill that would restrict nightclubs, event centers, bars, restaurants (anywhere with a liquor license) with how they could provide entertainment/services for 18-20-year-olds."

What we know so far: The Facebook page warns that there’s a danger that establishments would have to bar anyone under 21 years of age from attending any event where alcohol was being served. Most significantly, this would end the common practice of having 18+ shows where attendees, upon entry, are carded for wristbands that allow them to consume alcohol.

According to a recent Star Tribune article, owners and promoters of clubs met last week to discuss these issues, but Ricardo Cervantes, Minneapolis’s licensing director, said no official movement has happened on this issue yet.

What’s at stake: On the one hand, there’s huge revenue to be lost if venues are forced to either not serve liquor to anyone at 18+ or all-ages shows, or to not allow those under 21 to attend events where alcohol is being served. Some clubowners fear that this will make it more difficult for them to attract touring acts to play in Minneapolis. Young people are also not happy about the prospect of being denied access to their favorite bands if new ordinances get put in place.

On the other hand, it's not uncommon for people under 21 to consume alcohol at clubs where it's being served, and law enforcement officers argue that these events increase risks to health and public safety—for example, fighting and alcohol poisoning.

What do you think? Do you think the wristband system is working? Are you an artist or venue owner/employee who would be affected by a change in this aspect of city law? Do you have ideas about how to make clubs safer while still allowing young people to attend concerts and events? Should there be separate sections in venues for 18+ and 21+? What’s your opinion? What have you heard?

Comment below, or e-mail sheila@tcdailyplanet.net.

What people are saying

Keep 18+ music nights
Maren Ward, Co-Artistic Director for the Bedlam Theater, which hosts theater and music events and is also a bar, said that the 18+ audience defines almost everything that Bedlam does. "It’s so important for us to be able to welcome 18 year olds to the music and theater shows.” She explained that right now, Bedlam is open to all ages until 10 pm, at which point it becomes only open to those over 18. She said that Bedlam just received a grant from the Theater Communications Group, a national funder, for programming that brings in young people. If Bedlam were to be restricted from welcoming 18 year olds into the venue, Ward said, “It would shut us down.”


Eric Silva Brenneman, a musican in the band Quilombolas, writes: “If this were anywhere else in the world, it wouldn't even be an issue. But seeing as this country still is breaking Puritan chains and the decades Prohibition set us back, here we are; a critical mass that can't handle alcohol.” Brenneman further writes: “Stopping 18-plus would be horrendous for bands, fans, and the clubs. Armbands are easy to get around, but the sectioned-off idea, kind of like they do at the State Fair in the opposite way for drinkers, could work. Corral them youngin doggies up!”

Another responder, Brandon John, writes: “I say it's nothing that will even go through. Most likely the dance clubs will agree to an 18-plus night where alcohol is not served, like Stargate in Superior, Wisconsin does. And you know that restricting food places won't happen.”

A place for 18-21 year olds
Minneapolis Issues Forum member Cheryl Luger emailed: “a few (10?) years ago I remember discussions about having teen night clubs (there may have been one in uptown). It was even brought up at one of our neighborhood meetings. It didn't get very far but the feeling among proponents was that it would be nice to keep the kids around the n'hood rather than having them go illegal downtown or partying with their friends.”

Luger points out Clara James’s blog on About.com which asserts that while underage drinking is a serious problem, keeping 18-21 year olds out of music and dance venues won’t necessarily solve the problem, as they might get their older friends to buy them alcohol from a liquor store just as easily. James writes that at least at a club or music venue, there is something other than drinking that the young people can do to have fun, such as listening to music or dancing.

Official responses
Ricardo Cervantes, Minneapolis' licensing director wrote in this statement:

We understand that Minneapolis is a great place to see and hear the top named bands as well as new and local talent. It is our intent to work with the industry to come up with reasonable solutions to the issues we currently face. We want to encourage youth and bands to come to Minneapolis to have a good time responsibly.

The over arching issue is protecting the safety of patrons at bar closing with limited resources. The first precinct is at maximum capacity during these hours. One element of the larger issue is the negative behavior of intoxicated youth. This includes fights, property damage, loud noise, loitering, and youth in need of medical attention.

We will be meeting with the industry to ensure we will not create any unintended consequences and to make sure Minneapolis remains a premier destination.


Minneapolis Councilmember Lisa Goodman, who is rumored to be backing new legislation, said: "Given that we do not have anything in front of us at this point it is premature for me to comment.” When asked if this would be an issue that would be on the council’s table soon, Goodman responded: “Not soon but at some point. In other words all of this proactive lobbying about something that is not yet in front of us will not keep something from coming in front of us.”

Coverage of the issue has also appeared in City Pages, sparking discussion on Secrets of the City.

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Sheila Regan (sheila@tcdailyplanet.net) is a Minneapolis theater artist and freelance writer.

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hmm

Personally, I agree that it would definitely dissuade touring bands to play in Minneapoilis, which would not only hurt those venues directly involved but perhaps local businesses that make a lot of their business from people coming to see shows. I feel that if clubs cannot control minor consumption then that may be another issue. And still, what is the danger of a minor having 1 sip of something they snuck verses a 21+ year old to "legally" drink ten times that much and be allowed to drive home. That, to me, poses a greater danger. I am NOT encouraging underage drinking, but for example, in other countries, such as Europe, persons around the age of 16 are allowed to consume alcohol and perhaps if America didn't glorify drinking then minors wouldn't attempt to rebel. Just a thought of mine. But I suppose that's another issue. Now that I am 22, this doesn't exactly affect ME persay, but I do remember going to see many of my favorite bands when I was 18 and I wasn't tempted to try and sneak a drink just because I might be able to. I was just glad to see the band. To be a legal adult and not be able to just go see a band, is just kind of....silly.

Bad idea

I understand the concern over underage drinking, but I think it would be much worse to deny 18, 19, 20 year-olds entertainment in safe, legal establishments that can have their licenses revoked if they serve underage drinkers. Instead, those under 21 will be chased underground and denied many wonderful cultural experiences (as well as just having fun with friends). This will have the effect of: (1) hurting Minneapolis venues, (2) hurting Minneapolis-area and beyond performers, and, (3), giving thousands of 18, 19, and 20 year-olds with less entertainment options. What will many of their alternatives be? Keggers! Which are SO much safer!

I agree - bad idea

The 18, 19 & 20 year old really need this type of venue for entertainment options. The city would be making a huge mistake to take this away from them. The focus should be on giving the venues better options on controlling who drinks on their premises.

Discrimination

The idea of restricting access to underage drinking is appealing, but this idea is discriminatory to any and every 18-20 year-old that goes to those clubs and does not consume alcohol. They are obeying the law and do not deserve to be punished. The ramifications for this are also pretty significant. If we're going to limit youth access to alcohol by not letting them attend clubs, what about letting them attend sporting events? There's plenty of alcohol sold there. This is a bad idea with good intentions. It will not be successful if it is enacted.

Should Minneapolis continue to let people under 21 be in clubs w

If there is concern over a 21 year old supplying the drink for <21, why not color code the drink glasses ? ...in addition to the wrist bands. if <21 wanted alcohol...would need to go thru an additional step (pouring into another glass or be busted). wouldn't stop those really determined but i'd guess it would cut down by increasing 'visibility'. are purses/bags checked for alcohol? are parking lots monitored for 'tailgaiting'? are uniformed off-duty cops around (that can be a big deterent) ? also, what actually is the frequency of this behaviour ? is it a problem or a perceived problem? has anyone broken out the disruptive behaviour/warning/arrest data to determine who is causing the problems -->21 or <21? i would hope other measures could be instituted rather than an out-right ban. I remember the debate over ending happy hour and 2 for 1 drinks...most council people felt it would severly impact businesses trying to hang on. that council session was a little contentious. it is a tough call...economic development or public health and safety. I'm guessing nothing would be done by the council until after the november election...or .... ...would this ban increase voter turnout in the 18-21 year old demographic ? "give me my music or give me death !"

They need a place to go

As a mom, I want kids to have a place to go. I went to an 18+ punk rock show at First Avenue once (my best friend's son was playing) and they searched everyone coming in, only the mezzanine served alcoholic drinks and you couldn't go up there without a wristband. I thought the security was very good, the crowd was very sedate, and I didn't see any problems. Maybe the city can look at some creative solutions, like slightly shorter hours for 18+ shows, so the younger ones aren't out so late, or if the load on the cops is so bad, they need to check zip codes and get some transfer of funds from other cities if Minneapolis is bearing the brunt of providing youth entertainment for surrounding cities, other municipalities need to chip in. I hope they don't go to heavy-handed approaches such as banning 18-21 etc.

As a recent college grad, I have to say...

Let's be honest. It's extremely easy for underagers to get ahold of alcohol. In fact, it's almost impossible to avoid. However, at every venue I've been to in the Cities, I've been carded and sometimes scrutinized, even though I don't look like I'm under 21 anymore. Yes, armbands can be cut off, and stamps can be washed off. But I don't think it's the illict club booze (which everybody knows is expensive) that draws them there. I think the real issue is whether underagers could meet some unsavory adult characters who might try to take advantage of them. But if 18 year olds can join the army and go to Iraq, where insurgents will try to kill them, it just seems like a gross insult to 18-year-old intelligence to bar them from clubs because they might not be good judges of character.

18+ shows

Once again, the city of Minneapolis is presenting what they claim is a problem without showing any data to demonstrate the problem. We need to insist that our City Council include persuasive data before time is wasted on a discussion. The city budget is under too much strain to waste time discussing non-issues. I am sure the City Council could find real issues to work on instead of 18+ venues and soft furniture in yards.

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