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Minnesota Hmong protest against BK "Whopper Virgin" campaign

December 25, 2008
Minnesotan Seng Vang is deeply offended by Burger King's portrayal of Hmong people in its "Whopper Virgin" campaign. The offensive segment of the campaign featured Hmong people in Northern Thailand "simply as "tribesmen" who "don't even have a word for burger," Seng Vang wrote in a protest letter to Burger King.


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The text of the ad reads:

"What happens if you take remote Chiang Mai villagers who have never seen a burger? Who don’t even have a word for burger? And ask them to compare a Whopper versus Big Mac in the world's purest taste test. The Whopper is America's favorite. But what will these people choose? The Whopper Virgins will decide."


"Really?" wrote Seng Vang. "Do you really expect the 350,000 Hmong Americans in the U.S., some right in Miami where your headquarters is located, as well as in Boulder, Los Angeles, and London to believe that? You really expect the hundreds if not thousands of Hmong Americans who are Burger King employees across the U.S. and around the world to believe that? Of course, you really expect the 150,000 Hmong in Thailand to be so "pure" (primitive is what you want the consumer to believe) that they don't know what a burger is?

"... I've got news for you. It has now been confirmed that those individuals in your commercial spot are in fact quite familiar with Burger King as well as McDonalds, two fast food chains that are quite popular right in the heart of Chiangmai, Thailand! In fact, a couple of Hmong Thai students are employees at both places as I write!"

Instead of retracting the ad or apologizing, Burger King replied to Seng Vang, defending the ad. "[We] always strive to be sensitive to cultural concerns," wrote BK Vice President Susan Robison. "It is our practice to associate our brand with campaigns that are within the bounds of good taste, executed appropriately, and not offensive to any substantial population group." The letter went on to describe the Virgin Whopper campaign taste tests administered to Hmong participants from the village Baan Mon Kghor, Maramures participants from the Romanian village of Budesti, and Inuit participants from the Greenland village of Isortoq. BK, the letter said, sent representatives to visit the villages of participants and learn about their cultures and then donated educational
tools and supplies to Baan Mon Kghor, children's toys to Isortoq, and aid for a church restoration project in Budesti.

Seng Vang isn't buying it.

The Hmong of the world, especially those in Thailand and in the U.S. are NOT satisfied by your explanations.



Let's look at the your ad, again, word for word, line for line.



BK claims in it's ad: "What happens if you take remote Chiang Mai villagers who have never seen a burger?"



This is obviously a false, as the specific people in the ads (who are our relatives) HAVE seen burgers before, lots of it. Almost every Hmong Thai villages in Thailand have a TV. Thailand has how many BK franchises? How many commercials in Thai have these franchises run in the past several decades? Even the most remote Hmong villages in Thailand, like the ones in your ad, drive Toyota Tundras, talk to their relatives in St. Paul on their cell phones, and watch CNN and BBC on their satellite TVs. Never seen a burger? Pure fiction. Hmong villagers in Thailand aren't as backward or primitive as you want Americans or the world to think. This type of stereotype needs to stop! BK eating Hmong Americans demands it.



BK ad claims: "[Hmong] Who don’t even have a word for burger?



In Thai, burgers are called, "Ber-Gerh". Hmong Thais may not pronounce "burger" you and I would, but they know what a burger is. It's not like lutefisk or something. Please.



BK ad claims: "And ask them to compare a Whopper versus Big Mac in the world's purest taste test."



They have had burgers before. They have had Whoppers before. They have had Big Macs before.



BK ad claims: "The Whopper is America's favorite."



I'm sure millions of Thai people, including the Hmong of Thailand likes the Whopper too. They also like the Big Mac just as well. If they can afford it.



BK ad claims: "But what will these people choose?"



"These people?" Those primitives in remote places of the world? As if they exist in a time warp and isolated from the rest of the world. Last I checked, there was a Hmong Super Delegate for Barack Obama. Get your heads out of the sand. We all live in a very tight knit global society.



Finally, your BK ad claims: "The Whopper Virgins will decide."



Obviously, BK and their ad agency, CONTRARY to their claim that they "carefully constructed the campaign to respect the cultures of the people who participated in the test," yet have by calling remote Hmong villagers in Thailand "virgins", BK has committed a grave and unspeakable cultural gaffe, especially with images of Hmong men chumping on "burgers." Need a little Hmong cultural and diversity orientation, BK?



Let the apologies come forth, and hopefully soon. Some of these Hmong people know how to run viral campaigns on Youtube too, you know.


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What’s so big deal about

What's so big deal about the ad? To be honest, Hmong people do not have a word for burger.

the deal is that the Hmong

the deal is that the Hmong in Asia have had a burger before and some people dont like how the producers put the Hmongs as isolated people in Asia who've nevered tried a burger in their life or have ever seen a burger king ad

someone's emo

it's just a commercial/propaganda ordeal to turn more people towards their monopoly franchise... let it be bygones and so on... maybe with all this feeling you've let out, perhaps you should focus on the human rights violations that the lao government is placing upon the hmong people in that same region? why aren't you complaining that the hmong people are being hunted and slaughtered while the US knows of this and has decided to do nothing about it? why aren't you complaining that the laotion communist regime has passed a lao than all hmong citizens within laos are to not marry another hmong, therefore breeding the hmong out of existence? hmmm? you've got more things to worry about than a burger commercial that's intended on gaining more customers... by the way... i'm hmong too! and i apporve of this message!

Well said

Well said. It's 'just' a commercial.

people...

it's a stupid commerical. I don't think that the producer really thought it through. Why should we worry about this commerical, there are so many other things to worry about. The Hmongs that are in the forest are in need of help. Men, women and children are being killed and abuse, WHERE'S THE HELP???

Not just an ad, but stereotype of Hmong as primitive

The Hmong may not have a word specifically for burger, but that does not mean the Hmong are so isolated from the rest of society that they have no concept of such things...which is the gist of the ad. This kind of ad has the power to influence hundreds of millions of people to believe that the Hmong are truly no more than a primitive tribe in Thailand (by interjecting using code word like "pure" and "virgin").

BK

Seng Vang..I think that's just outright pathetic. It's a COMMERCIAL! i don't see others complaining....let it go..... just HAD to be a MN Hmong guy.....

bk

vang seng does have a good point. I agree 120% not just a commercial..you fool wake up..

It doesn't matter...

This person complaining is being to foolish.... Its a commercial and has nothing to do with Hmong people. I am Hmong and quite proud with this exposure of our people. Only a person looking for a complaint to complain about... would really care. Its sad how these people are supposley so upset on this... Hey if you want to help our people in the home land... just be quiet and let nature takes it course. Seng Vang needs to realize that in life... the objective of living is not to live but to live life... Just because Burger Kings says Have it your Way they were not talking JUST to you!!!

Hmong thin skins

I live in Bangkok, Thailand. My girlfriend is Thai from Suphan Buri. Suphan Buri has a McDonalds, but she has never eaten there. She had never tried a Whopper either, until I broke down and bought them. Many Thai people are perfectly happy to eat only Thai food. The Burger King in Chiang Mai is mainly there for tourists and expat locals. You don't see Thai people eating there. I am convinced that Burger King probably didn't have to go as remote as some of those Hmong villages to find people who had never tried a Whopper. Look at the clip of the guy from Greenland. He obviously spoke English and knew what a burger was, but he admitted he'd never tried one, and in fact preferred seal meat. I think that proves my point rather decisively. I don't think they were trying to make fun of Hmong people or culture, they were just doing an experiment, it was pretty interesting too.

I live in Chiang Mai and

I live in Chiang Mai and like to ride my mountain bike up to some of the Hmong villages in the Doi Suthep area. I would agree many of them have seen a advertisment or perhaps passed the BK restaurant which is at the Night Market on Chang Klan road but very few would have eaten there. It's not cheap by Thai standards. I have quite a few Thai friends in town and they have never eaten there. I think its a possible premise. For each younger more adventurous hill tribe people that explore the city and are educated about food trends, then there are a couple of older less motivated people who have rarely traveled to town. I know because I have met people who have only traveled to town for medical emergencies etc. Many of the villages don't have reliable cell phone service. Most have some electricity if only with generators. Most villages has TV's to play video's but many don't have reception. Oh and there is just one BK restaurant in Chiang Mai and it's only been open for a few years.

well… I’m Hmong too and

well... I'm Hmong too and yea... I find it offending that the Burger King commercial used the small hmong population in such a stereotypical way... nws zoo ib yam li peb cov hmoob ruam thiab tsis paub noj, paub hnav, paub hauv... yog hais tias lawm yuav muab coj los xyuas tiag, peb cov hmoob feem ntau yeej nyiam noj cov Big Mac's dua li lwm yam...

Burger ad

I am Hmong, born in the Thai refugee camps and have lived in America for for about 30 years now. I do not find the ad to be offensive; I find it to be entertaining. I am quite proud that in such a diverse world, the Hmong were chosen for the ad and that they got their fifteen minutes of fame. The context of this ad is blown out of proportion by Seng Vang. I think there are still some Hmong people in that region of the world that do not have access to modern technology and would still be primitive in some way. If he wants to complain, he should be addressing the human rights violations towards the Hmong in Thailand and Laos. These issues are more critical to the Hmong than a burger ad that gave a few Hmong some whoppers to eat. In addition, I've searched my Hmong vocabulary and could not find any word for "burger" except for a Hmonglish pronounciation of "bahger". I wonder if Seng Vang will also be complaining about the portrayal of the Hmong in the Clint Eastwood movie "Grand Torino" as gansters or thugs? It is sad, but true that the majority of the Hmong youths are fond of gangsters.

Stupid Complaint

RE: BK: Seng Vang..I think that’s just outright pathetic. It’s a COMMERCIAL! i don’t see others complaining….let it go….. just HAD to be a MN Hmong guy…:) totally agrees with you BK ________________________________________________________ and Seng...complaint about something worth complaining about. Sounds like you wasted times and energy on this because you are not on the commercial...and didn't get a free whopper. STOP DUDE...you are an embarrasment. BE GLAD THAT HMONG ARE FEATURED IN ANY COMMERICAL MAINSTREAM. That commerical has informed the world that there is a group of minority people called "HMONG"...at least some acknowledgement. GET IT?

Good Exposure

Mr. Seng Vang, don't be offended by something that is not true. I'm sure your parents or an older, wiser Hmong person have told you before to not get so angry about something that you personally know is not true. For instance, even if someone said something about me that was not true, I would most likely let it go and shift my focus the facts. Besides, this exposure plus Gran Torino's exposure are good in that once people start getting curious about who the Hmong are, they will most likely do their own research and learn the facts. No need to yell and scream at them like you are doing now. Addtionally, BK's ignorance towards the subject does not necessarily mean they are not culturally sensitve. It was probably just pure ignorance and nothing meant to trigger offense.

Get Real!

I agree with Dumbo! We need to channel our focus on more serious matters that are occuring in the Hmong community in the States and in Laos. Instead of this "BK" story, I would appreciate more articles revealing the truth about the prosecution of the Hmong people back in Laos and actions we can take to end all the madness!

Find Other Reason to Complain

Seng Vang, Please find a better reason to complain. As a Hmong Man, I'm proud of this commercial. Everytime this commercial comes on tv, my family love it. We believe, the Hmong ppl have come a long way, and finally the world start to recgonize who we are. Plus, this commercial is not just about the Hmong ppl, it included many other race in it. You should be proud that this product chose "our ppl" to be included.

You all just confirm the

You all just confirm the truth about being Hmong or Miao...this is a repeat of history, dating back over five hundred years...this is exactly what it means to be Hmong, one person speaks or leads and other pull down...this is how Hmong being chased down, killed, etc...and lost our identity...please talk to your parents, grandparents, and learn more Hmong histories... The whole conversation here is not about seng and the BK ad, it's about seng and other Hmong...you all talk about human rights in Thailand and Laos...but, ultimately...being Hmong American is to be aware and value your unidentified Identity...praise each other...help each other understand...work toward Hmong goal...one Hmong identity.. It’s sad already how Hmong being viewed in the mainstream cultures...but, it's even sadder for Hmong to bash and hurt each other...

BK commercial

Hello, I am a Hmong and I am proud to be Hmong, We the Hmong we aren't rude but firm. I am very proud that BK have chose Hmong people in to BK commercial for the first time in the world like the movie" God must be crazy" of the people in central west of Africa. Yes some of us are very lucky to be in America, because many of ours parents have paid the price for it. But there are so many Hmong in the world who aren't very lucky to see and to be in the 21st century. We need to promote that by showing them to the world and we can fix what is needed to be fixed. Some Hmong in America aren't very happy by the way Hmong is portaited in BK new commercial. To me those complaints are rediculious, no basic, non sense and so selfish. To me that is the BEST, you imagine Hmong in the no man land is capable of knowing a good stuff. I am pretty sure and very proud that my Hmong are very smart. no matter what the world want to test the Hmong. My Hmong people will get the right answer and know the good one right away. Go BK, Go BK. Go BK, make more commercial with my Hmong people, just don't forget to pay them as good as Tiger Wood. Go BK

send letter or comments

BK, thit is the best, Hmong in No man land is capable of knowing a good stuff. Hmong are very smart even they are in the most remove place on earth. I proud of my Hmong people and I am proud of you BK.How and where can I send you a thank you letter

Hmong Thai thinks burgers are unhealthy

Tousaiko Lee is in Thailand. Read what he says about how the Hmong in Chiang Rai are taking the commercial: http://travelinspirals.blogspot.com/ His postings are not titled so you'll have to go to about the 10th paragraph in the December 24 section.

Burger Ad

It's great to see that this commercial can spark dialogues among Hmong in America and I hope that it can also make non-Hmong counterparts curious enough so that they can learn about the beauty of the Hmong culture. My wife and I do not find any offense to this commercial as we were having our dialogue the other night. We're both proud that of all ethnic groups worldwide, the Hmong were chosen for this commercial. If the Hmong actors in the commercial aren't complaining, then we shouldn't either. Why are some of us (i.e. Seng Vang) bothered by this and some aren't? I think they have the intellect to understand what they were doing and I am sure that they enjoyed every moment of their fifteen minutes of fame. This situation reminds me of William Hung. Even though his singing was horrible and Asians might be embarrassed about it, he did not complain and was quite humble about it. The actors in the commercial aren't complaining; therefore, why should we?

I do LOTS of community activism

Uhh....yeah. I found this kind of dumb. Not a valid argument. I mean, if he had a more consciouss type of view, I might be for it. And for a different purpose. But this is just plain rediculous. It makes us look like idiots. Arguing about something so meaningless. I myself was very intrigued by the commercial when I first saw it. It put a smile on my face. But I'm sure BK must have expect this coming. You know once you cross cultural exposure, someones bound to jump on your *ss. Regardless. So yes, it's typical and they should have been ready. All in all, I'll shut the f*ck up. This is dumb. Dude, honestly, I don't think this guy's even seen the documentary. Cause if so, he might change his mind. Or if not, I'm not quite catching his drift. I'm sure the commercial may seem a bit offensive. But man, once you view the doc. It's a beautiful thing. I get teary-eyed everytime I even see Hmong people in the press. And I mean, on other things than violence or just some straight obnoxious illiterate foreign bullcrap. But that's not the issue here. These are real far-east Hmongs we're talking about. Whether they seen the Whopper or not. They're not the ones here in America. It'd be a disgrace to try that to us here. Then I'd have something to say. Haha. Like folks who ask you if you speak English. Anyways, our name is on BK ads. We were the first ones mentioned in the credit. How sad is that hey? Like that ain't getting us closer to exposing America to genocide. Fortunately, it is. All of it, including Gran Torino. And even if this is some washed up Corporate bullsh*t that the owner is trying to get more sales and exposure off, so be it. F*ck it. I'm not saying let's avoid it, but we'll deal with it later. Don't ruin the chances of our name being mentioned. Now's the time. Savor it and live in the moment. Controversy is not always a bad thing. It opens up for conversation. And silence, my friend, is the enemy. I hope we don't get excluded now from one bad freaken review of our reaction to the commercial. That would suck. I mean, they brought many cultures together and even ate their food. They bonded. Wore the clothes and all. That's awesome. Again, no one knows the intention of this all, and it could be ugly, don't get me wrong. But this is positive to me right now. I love it.

Here's why!

While some would say that it's perfectly alright that Hmong should NOT feel offended by such blatant media mischaracterizations or stereotypes of our people as no more than ignorant tribesmen, and in fact, we ought to be grateful and joyous that the Hmong were given their 30 seconds of fame...and that we ought to be complaining about other more important things like human rights abuses in Laos and Thailand...I still beg to differ. Here's why. The idea or belief that Hmong people are no more than simple tribesmen in remote places of Thailand, or anywhere in the world for that matter, and who have never heard or even try a burger...are the very reasons why then it is perfectly fine for those in positions of power to simply deny them basic human rights, respect and dignity, and otherwise hunt them down like animals, and once captured, torture and kill them without consequence. BK's power to be able to reduce an entire people into a simple stereotype for world consumption may be a simple advertising campaign for some, but the social, economic and even political consequences are as real as there are many. Think about this: The Hmong in Thailand will be better known as Whopper Virgins than as a proud and prosperous people with a 200 year history in Thailand. The Hmong around the world will be better known as simple tribesmen in remote places of Asia, as opposed to equal 21st century citizens who are university professors, software engineers, even plastic surgeons. For some of you, the idea that since I'm complaining about one thing, it must mean I'm not complaining about other more important or pressing issues...is an example of the type of apathy and inability of some in our community to see or fully grasp the larger contexts in which Hmong continues to be victims of blatant oppression and discrimination. For me, the fights are all the same, whether it's BK's millions they spent on branding the Hmong as remote tribesmen with no knowledge of a burger, or Thailand's horrendous treatment of Hmong refugees on their soil (whether alive or dead), or Laos' continued denial of fighting in the jungles with survivors of the Secret War, or hurtful words from University of Wisconsin law professor, or what happened in the woods of Wisconsin with Chai Vang and then later with Cha Vang, or the continued media bias from the likes of Tom Barnard of KQRS, or any other injustices. MLK said it best, "Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere."

True

You seem to be very knowledgable in your subjects and how you speak. May I ask what state and city you are from? One who has talent as you should really work for the real needs of the Hmong people still suffering til this day. Are you a community activist?

Los peb mus protest zaj "Khas-mawv-saum" no thiab los npob!?!

This is a Thai Clorets commercial that came out a few years ago featuring Thai star Tik Jessapon and a seemingly "ban nok" Hmong family: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVRneNH3Gno Tik's car hits the Hmong farmer's truck and the Hmong farmer obviously becomes agitated, yellling at him 'What the h*ll kind of driving (language) is that!?" ... Tik with a Clorets in his mouth, replies" Oh, its Tik's style (language) of driving!" ..... The freshness of the breath mint instantly pacifies the angry Hmong farmer and his family and the farmer then replies sheepishly "Oh, that was just a mispronounciation (of mine)!" This commercial is making a jester that that Hmong-Thai ppl cannot speak Thai properly. .. For those who dwelled in the highlands of Thailand alll their life, yes, they cannot speak that fluent of Thai, yet for those who have had an education and live and work among mainstream Thai society, this commercial reinforces a negative stereotype of Hmong ppl in modern Thai society. ... I could probably say a lot more but my point is ... The BK commercial (which featured other supposedly isolated indegenious ppl around the world too) is nothing compared to this Thai clorets commercial.

cool commercial

Seng, Hmong are not uptight people like you who can not laugh at themself or know that it's all fun and games. There's a time for seriousness as well, however, this is not it. National exposure like this is hard to come by. The only national exposure prior to this and Gran Torino I've ever seen is Hmong killing somebody. Have a little sense of humor. It's good to see Hmong so active and passionate but pick and choose your battles wisely.

Move on

This is the problem with our people. Peb hnov tsis tau ib lo lus tsis zoo hais txog Hmoob li. We quickly jump to conclusion. The ad specifically stated that 'the Hmong in the remote area of Thailand', it did not said 'all Hmong people'. And remember, this is a commercial. By making a big deal out of it, it only makes the commercial more effective.

Burger Ad

I too find the ad offensive. In our media-saturated world, no commercial is "just" a commercial--it is yet another message fashioned by a corporation who exists solely to make a profit for its shareholders and to enrich its management. Any text, such as this ad, that "others" a group of people who have been exploited and oppressed--in particular by the the US government--is a dangerous text. The ad promotes the view that not only Hmong are primitive and isolated (therefore in need of the culinary--and I use that term loosely--paternalism of the Burger King corporation) but that by association South East Asia is a place that harbors such romanticized, exoticized people who need only to be deflowered by America in order to experience the real pleasures of modern living. Considering US history in Asia--Vietnam War, Korean War, current occupation of Korea and military bases in Japan, etc.--no ad that depicts a US-based corporation experimenting on Asians is apolitical, or somehow values-neutral. All propaganda--and an ad is merely a piece of commercial propaganda--aims to get a group of people to do something or think something. This ad is trying to get Americans (and whoever else is the audience for this ad) to eat Whoppers--the logic here is that if you don't like them and don't eat them, then you're as primitive as these "remote villagers." The only thing remote about this ad is the ad-makers connection with reality. We Asian Americans are so mis- and underrepresented in American media that some of us may feel grateful for any exposure--I am more interested in self-representation. In a time when nearly half the nation voted for a presidential candidate who recently used the word "gook" in public--and who was widely hailed as a hero for bombing Vietnamese civilians in an unjust war--and basically nobody in the mainstream media cared--we need to be careful about what we're grateful for.

Half the battle...

The sad reality is that half of the battle for some decent respect and dignity for all Hmong people is with fellow Hmong. I guess I rather be called "uptight" any day than be the apathetic Hmong who find humor in a multimillion ad campaign to paint our people as nothing more than a primitive bunch from the boondocks. The scary thing is that this commercial is effective, having already reached millions around the world...something racists like Tom Barnard of KQRS can only dream of. And, like KasTom's example above, it legitimatized all other acts of discrimination, which are much worse. I don't know where some of you BK sympathizers have been lately, but Hmong people indeed have had our share of positive national and international exposures as well. You're saying that the continued stereotypes of our people is a justifiable need for national exposure? Exposure to what, more blatant discrimination and disrespect as a people with the same obvious rights, abilities and dignity as any people? Exposure to be ridiculed and pigeon-holed at your work place as a backward hillbilly "Whopper Virgin?" Obviously, there seems to be more negatives, thus the mounting protests against BK...which actually has come from many mainstream consumer groups and even media critics around the world, not just the few Hmong "complainers" like myself. I don't doubt for a second that there are Hmong out there who are equally racist or discriminatory against others, or even their own. But regardless of who the perpetrators are, there will always be people who will stand up and say no. Today it happens to be BK, tomorrow, I'm sure it will be another. Finally, Hmong people didn't pick this battle, or others like it. Most Hmong don't have that luxury. Most battles are thrown our way, forced upon us, from time immemorial...and we're just trying to defend ourselves, correct the wrongs done to us, and advocate for a more fair, equal and dignified representation of who we are. That's all.

Rock on, brother.

I work in the American Indian community, and we face similar issues. In fact, when I saw these commercials, it reminded me of the media's (and governments' and multinationals') treatment of indigenous peoples worldwide. Thanks for speaking out. In solidarity, B

BK Lost a Customer

Seng Vang, I am glad that you wrote to Burger King. I was offended by the commercial's colonial overtones but didn't take the time to write a letter. Good for you for getting dialogue started! I am not sure who that commercial is supposed to appeal to, but it definitely wasn't me. Whatever company BK hired to create this commercial needs to get the message loud and clear: portray people better than this, or you'll start losing customers.

This is classic Orientalism

Placing this kind of 'other' lens to sell burgers is incredibly cheap and ugly to see. It is classic, packaged Orientalism. It would look the same as a 1950s campaign with Sambos pondering the novelty of decent pancake batter, or whatever. On the other hand I can see how some of the Hmong here are amused to see their rarely spotlighted ethnic group on a major ad campaign. I wonder how the new Clint Eastwood flick Grand Torino matches with this crassness. If ad campaigns like this dare to run with stereotypes of Jews or Arabs, think how f***ed up that would feel... THere ought to be some pushback: using ethnicity as a primary marker for commercialism is really dangerous and has all kinds of knock-on effects. After all, you are only intended to be half-paying-attention in your TV stupor to the content of the commercial anyway. The residual brainwave is the counter-productive, incorrect view that Hmong are oblivious hill people. It would be maybe more interesting to highlight how thoroughly Burger King has penetrated Asia (at least the parts with fat western tourists).

Burger King Commercial

Seng Vang, keep your head up! You ARE doing the right thing in challenging Burger King and calling them out on a commercial that is not only offensive, but racist! As a woman of color I am only too familiar with the many ways that our identities, cultures, languages, ways of being, and traditional knowledge are systematically and institutionally commodified! (i.e. the thousand+ year history of a proud people reduced to a question of a burger taste-test) Dismissing this BK ad as "simply a commercial" that the Hmong (and Seng Vang) need to either "get over" or "get real about" only perpetuates the colonization that many of us are fighting against daily! Our right to self-determination should not be questioned! As traditional/tribal communities we should not have to subject ourselves or our people to demeaning and stereotypical representations of our lives--for any reason--but especially in the name of marketplace consumption. Our right to self-determination should not be questioned! I will stand in solidarity with you, and will be working to let others know of your activism. Trust that you and your people are supported!

U.S. Imperialism

This ad is nothing short of cultural imperialism perpetuated by the U.S., as this article articulately points out: http://news.infoshop.org/article.php?story=20081230025518656 "In the early stages of the film, a member of the crew is recorded expressing his excitement at the de-virginizing of the Hmong people: "They've never seen such a foreign piece of food before," he proclaims. "They didn't know how to pick it up." Maybe I'm being picky here, but of course the Hmong of Thailand have not seen a 'foreign' piece of food before, that's what makes it 'foreign'! I'd be curious to observe whether or not this member of the film crew would be as amazed with himself upon being presented with a bowl of salted crickets (insects being a staple of many cultures) only to then realize he doesn't know how to use the chopsticks placed beside the bowl. Hmm, that could make a good film!" ... "Many critics of Whopper Virgins have suggested that the gimmick was purposefully designed to create controversy. I would disagree. The orchestral music played throughout the duration of the film is suggestive that what the film crew and staff are doing is a noble cause and a sign of American superiority. The music is so epic in tone, that in many respects, the handing over of Whoppers to 'foreigners' evokes an image that introducing a Whopper to a Whopper Virgin is akin to a gift from God. In the end, I propose that Whopper Virgins ranks as one of the greatest displays of unintelligence ever seen in the world of marketing, and not because of the content of the film, but because of the name of the campaign. 'Virgin' is often used to depict purity and something uncorrupted. By choosing the title 'Whopper Virgins', BK has indirectly admitted that the introduction of the Whopper to people who have never tried one, amounts to corrupting what was once pure. I for one agree with Burger King."

Burger King will never beat out McDonalds

Burger King is just up to the same old antics reserved for businesses that are perpetually in second place--like Pepsi. If people DO like the Whopper better, then why can't they beat McDonalds in sales? I don't think anybody believes those stupid commercials. It's just as dumb as the lame commercials where they tell people they don't sell the Whopper anymore and we get to see all these so called "genuine" displays of outrage.

Disgusting

I'm glad to know I'm not the only one who found this commercial to be imperialistic/colonial propaganda. It's disgusting. One poster asked why not focus on bigger issues, but big issues start small. These commercials are symptoms of the greater plague of globalization; both are rooted to the same belief/value system.

BK virgins

I'm Italian and I live in England, and I think BK don't need to go to 'exotic' countries to search for 'burger virgins' - I am sure that most of my family and friends in Italy have never tried one before (including myself, actually). The same would apply to France or Spain, places where most people are just not interested in American junk food. So I think it's significant that BK went to places like Transilvania or 'remote' Chiang Mai (which is not remote! It's a big city with an airport and department stores!!!). I think that the fact that BK have chosen to show 'exotic' and 'ethnic' people in their ad is actually really patronising, and it's really based on ideas of a 'civilised' USA vs. a 'primitive' rest of the world... some people may be offended and some may not be, but I really don't think the message is 'neutral' or 'harmless'. Would BK have run the same ad with 'unpolluted' and 'traditional' communities on North American soil, like the Amish or the Mennonites or Orthodox Jews or native Americans? I think they wouldn't dare to. I believe a global corporation like BK employs admen who are 100% aware of the meanings behind their images, and what I get from these ads is an idea that BK are bringing to these 'unpolluted' and 'pure' people a taste of civilisation, of progress, of modernity. I think they are playing on the sense of Western superiority towards other cultures, which I really don't agree with. And thinking about it, it's a bit ridiculous to take an American burger as a symbol of progress...

When in 'remote' Chiang Mai...

I spent a week in 'remote' Chiang Mai where I had Thai food, middle-eastern falafels, Italian pizza, Japanese sushi and more Thai food - but didn't go anywhere near Burger King!!! Why would anyone want to eat that junk if you're in one of the places in the world with the best food ever???

gee

Let it go..if you are offended by this, then you are an absolute retard. It is a commercial, not intending to harm anyone in anyway or offended anyone in anyway. You don't see tribesmen in Africa complaining when they are portrayed in animal fur running after animals. Damn you people, grow up and get along. By the way, BK is doing a great job with that commercial. To the guy who wrote the complaint letter to BK, you can go to hell.

MUST BE BORED

You all must be very bored to fight over something that is so small. Look at the bigger picture here. Across seas, many, actually thousands are either being hunted down like animals, or either being forced to repatriate to their so called "home land". You guys sit at your little computers to talk about this bull... especially Seng Vang... Why not take the time to actually go out there and do something about the bigger picture, like write letters to your congressman/women, elected officials, to push for the Thai government and Lao Government to allow UN or third parties to evaluate the Hmong refugees and get them to a safe place. In MN, many organizations and individuals have come together to help find a solution. I'm not going to publicize any or any that I'm involved in, because haters of course! Hmong people can be so rude and judgmental sometimes that I actually hate them too... but my skin, hair, eyes, lifestyle is still Hmong, and I've learn to overcome and accept it... If you are interested, please ask around and do your work as a Hmong American to help others in need. This is for your people, the Hmong people. Also, lets keep the Peace please, as MLK preached about.

Actually, Seng Offers Bigger Picture

Actually, I think Seng Vang has THE PICTURE in mind...it's called RESPECT for Hmong people! You are absolutely right that ,"Across seas, many, actually thousands are either being hunted down like animals, or either being forced to repatriate to their so called “home land”." You wanna know WHY? Because those in positions of absolute power, like the governments of Thailand and the Lao PDR have NO RESPECT for the dignity of a people who have been, and are systematically and commercially made to be a small, weak, backward, stone age, and hill billy people with no sense of civilization...by another absolute power (multi-billion, multi-national cooperations like BK)...and who are not only supported but perpetuated by so-called passionate human rights advocates like you? I mean, if you're going to quote MLK, you must understand what he actually preaches...like: "Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere." Once you understand this, you'll understand what Seng Vang is doing...and you'll stop seeing the world through your own narrow, tunnel vision, zero-sum views of the world. Think Hmong people, think!

Seng is right...bk is wrong...

Damn, when I first heard of the commercial and Seng's complaint, I didn't think there be this big of a difference in opinion. I figured if the hmong people(if they still consider themself hmong) would stand together as one. But that has never been the case. So what if the Laos government is violating human rights in Laos. We can't do anything about it, better yet THE WHOLE WORLD CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT LET ALONE THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT! REMEMBER THE VIETNAME WAR! YOU SHOULD HMONG PEOPLE, YOUR ANCESTORS FOUGHT IN IT! We lost that war cuz united states think they can go into another country and tell them how to run their government. Just like how they fought for independence the Laos government will not let itself be run by a tyrant 10,000 miles away. If they chose to run their country that way, untill we go over and take over they will continue that ruthless way of life. Just think about it......it wasn't that far back when there was slavery. What if one day US decides to toss out the window their book for human rights. People in Laos or other country will not just come over and say "hey you guys are wrong and give them back their human rights." The issue at hand is bk's ad.....so stick to it....... So now....back to the ad. Of course any hmong with their right sense in mind would find it offensive. Every point Seng pointed out is right. And if anyone disagree then refresh your self by looking up the Federal Trade Commision(FTC) and Federal Communication Commission (FCC) they set the stanard for ads. A: A false advertisement is defined as “an advertisement, other than labeling, which is misleading in a material respect.” (see 15 U.S.C. § 55(a)(1)) In various cases, the FTC has held that the following claims or statements can lead to a determination of false or misleading advertising: · “False oral or written representations, · Misleading price claims, · Sales of hazardous or systematically defective products or services without adequate disclosure, · Failure to disclose information on pyramid schemes, · Use of bait and switch techniques, · Failure to perform promised services, and · Failure to meet warranty obligations.”1 Some hmong in here say that it is good tv exposure...well.....as you know we hmong don't like to "lose face"....and that's not just us, it goea for other people too....so the next time you think about your 15 sec of fame....think about the rest of your life in shame. I can say for sure that for those who aren't offended, get the out of here cuz u ain't hmong and there for have no right to comment. For those Hmong who don't feel offended, check the mirror, you ain't white. There's no such thing as hmong americans there's just Hmong. You don't see other race growing up here calling themself canadian american, or french amarican, laos american, japanese american, or chinese american. If you don't feel for this....you not a full blooded hmong. Forget the issue in Laos. Unless you got 250,000 soldiers and some heavy artillary leave it to the gov. If you think an ad is just an ad....then why not allow porno on tv ads...hey it's just an ad right? The message would be sex is fun and pleasing, everyone should do it! Or gun ads....hey people buy this shot gun or magnum....so how powerful it is.....it can blow people's head off! Don't get offended, it's just an ad. Bottom line is this, an ad sends a pretty strong message....otherwise there wouldn't be rules and regulations...really think about hmong people....you don't draw the line here....how far you gonna let them go.....remember this is a country that said it would scratch our backs if we scratch theirs...the war is over.......where is he rest of our people.... I was wrong....but not about this ad being offensive cuz it is....but if bk can take films of people eating burgers......try filming the ones in the jungle starving and scared half to death.....i'm sure they would want tv exposure and food.....their 15 sec could save 15 thousand lives.......think about that hmong people.......STILL NOT OFFENDED?

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